Get ready for countries like the US to "take on the responsibility" of altering the world's climate and fucking it even further.
How anyone can think that our world will not severely fuck "geoengineering" the planet is insane.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSu5sXmsur4
i tried searching and all I found that was anything close to an effortpost was this comment from banned user joshieecs:
"I used to really enjoy their videos, but early last year they decided to take down two of they most-watched and best videos for totally bullshit reasons. They thought it was too “political” because they extrapolated into criticisms of capitalism. They explained it in a “Can You Trust Kurzgesagt Videos?” and my takeaway was a resounding NO, not anymore.
One of the videos they took down was “Addiction”, which emphasized research that mice almost completely lost interesting in chugging down as much cocaine and opium water as they could get their paws on when they had a fun mouse playground other mice to play with. A little too close to some theory of alienation as a driving factor of social ills or even disease models. Couldn’t have that!
The other was an extremely tepid “refugees are actual human beings” take. European Refugee Crisis and Syria Explained. Nope, too political. Their videos have all been dogshit every since then. Though it could just be my bias because it kinda pissed me off. I used to even have notifications turned on for when a new video dropped. Now I am not even subbed to the channel."
If somebody has a link to this effortpost about this Kurzgesagt whatever channel, drop a link
damn joshieecs got banned from here? huh, surprised
and I remember that addiction video, it's why I thought Kurzgesagt were good for a while
research that mice almost completely lost interesting in chugging down as much cocaine and opium water as they could get their paws on when they had a fun mouse playground other mice to play with.
I might be remembering wrong but I think this research has not been replicated.
One of their earliest videos was a bullshit neoclassical analysis of banking, if I remember right.
After radicalized more I can really only watch their science stuff
Even their science stuff is biased (and science is never unbiased anyway).
Avoid them overall
It's been a while since I watched their videos, but I seem to recall a greater emphasis on using technology to solve our problems (like climate change or running out of fossil fuels, something about dyson spheres at one point), rather than considering the idea that technological progress might be to blame and should be scaled back.
That and also not making any clear statements about the irresponsibility of corporations.
Yeah I can see that. Its clear they're rooted in a liberal mindset. I try and divorce that from the info theyre bringing even if its a bit silly. Like the concept of Dyson spheres is interesting if not really possible or feasible, it was a big subject in scifi for awhile (guilty pleasure of mine). Or perhaps its something achievable in a post-scarcity Star Trek like civ where the social ills are already addressed.
But yes, there's a clear lack of pointing fingers at the root causes and more fixing problems within the existing system (not the best idea).
I like there videos on ants tho. Pretty neat.
Talking about geoengineering schemes is the advanced stage of climate denialism. Theyre all purely conceptual and if they ever are viable won't be available for decades at the earliest. Its all a bullshitting tactic to avoid talking about the extremely radical socio-economic measures actually necessary to avert catastrophe at this point. But those measures are completely at odds with the structural forces of capitalism and class interests of the bourgeoisie, and therefore even if our political leaders had the will to campaign for them they are literally incapable of contemplating them in the first place. Its literally unthinkable under a neoliberal ideological hegemony.
Much better worded summary of what I was thinking. Its literally outside the realm of understanding for the people on top. They have to entertain scifi solutions years off from now
I want to believe in things like this to avoid getting consumed by doomer thought. I believe miracle technology is more likely than systemic change so even though I know it's mostly fantasies, I want to believe in it to preserve my mental health.
yet, the west throws some chemicals into the atmosphere to stop global warming, but they are too good and flash freezes the world
im pretty sure the polar bear eats the kids, Bong Joon-ho like putting fake happy endings in his movies
For a hot minute I thought that was an interesting channel and then they came out with their latest global warming video that blames...you guessed it - the consooomers! Fuck that channel.
Because most of the damage could be avoided if people just stopped their mindless consumption. Consumption is the driving force behind climate change. Why do you want to lift all responsibility off of people? Does it help yourself?
That does not remove you from personal responsibility. The most immediate action you can take is changing your own behaviour and then that of others.
when you can’t take your theory out of its individualistic pitfalls, you know you’re a liberal.
I am a lib because I advocate for less consumption? Ok, I guess I am a lib then.
You're advocating it under a liberal framework.
That does not remove you from personal responsibility.
Everyone on this website could go fully anprim and it would achieve fuckall in terms of fixing the problems. Thus, discussing "personal responsibility" in this context is utterly futile. The changes necessary must be systemic.
You’re advocating it under a liberal framework.
That everyone has a responsibility, to do what they can, to contribute to the improvement of our current situation, is not a "liberal framework".
Everyone on this website could go fully anprim and it would achieve fuckall in terms of fixing the problems.
Fortunately, the world does not end here.
Thus, discussing “personal responsibility” in this context is utterly futile.
Personal consumption (mostly in western countries) has caused it. That there are systemic reasons for it does not change that anyone still has a responsibility, and can bring immediate improvements, which is what we need.
The changes necessary must be systemic.
Did I ever say that it doesn't have to be systemic? No. In theory we could solve climate change by changing our way to live tomorrow, but that won't happen. Neither is soon enough systemic change realistic. That shouldn't stop us from fighting for either. But resigning and handing over all your responsibilities to large corporations, then getting mad them, is pathetic.
it’s the means by which you think less consumption will occur that makes you a lib, individual reduction of consumption isn’t going to take place when there is systemic incentivization of perpetually increasing consumption.
If people made their own decisions on their own then companies wouldn't invest so much money into marketing and advertising. Take away the ads and show me the rabid consumers, then I'll give your point some merit.
Yes, consciousness choices would do immeasurable (the bad kind of immeasurable) benefit to the planet, but the system of capitalism will kill to uphold the consumptive system. Until consumer choices include the option to choose to abolish capitalism, the climate cannot be saved
Until consumer choices include the option to choose to abolish capitalism, the climate cannot be saved
The choice is to consume significantly less.
The pollution happens during production, not consumption, you fucking idiot.
If you think you can shift supply by changing individual demand, you don't fucking understand capitalism. And you've just fully deep throated bourgeois propaganda.
The entire point of it is to control production. They're not going to stop because you don't want their stuff. Literally entire wars are started solely to "open up markets" to push products onto. Entire infrastructure systems have been destroyed solely to bolster the need to consume products.
They're currently running airline flights that are fucking empty, one of the most polluting things we do, just to make sure the routes still work.
If we all magically stopped consuming, then a hyper consumer class would gobble to the rest. Or they'd force you to at gunpoint, basically.
The idea that you have individual choice in capitalism is just part of its hegemony. Without completely restructuring the entire global economy, your "individual responsibility" means dick.
They’re not going to stop because you don’t want their stuff.
No, they won't, but that isn't an excuse for unsustainable consumption. If you make the decision to be more wasteful than you could be, then you are to blame too. Most people in the west could easily reduce their consumption and many choose not to. I don't know why you want to defend selfishness.
Without completely restructuring the entire global economy
That should be the goal.
Just when I start to feel bad about how much of a lib I am some dipshit like you comes along and really brightens my day up.
Taking all the fossil fuel companies and attributing all fuel consumption to them, as if they pump up oil for fun. From now on, I will blame the companies that produced the goods I consume.
yeah bc it is in thru the process of production that one pollution takes place and two that you are even able to consume it. if they didn’t produce it, there would be no pollution at all from that product. whereas if you didn’t consume it, someone else would.
you’re solution of lowering consumption globally is literally an imposition of global individual austerity and that would take a totalitarian global government to enforce within the timeframes necessary to defeat climate change. if this is your solution how do you materialistically propose we reach the global state of control needed to ensure consumption is lowered individually?
it seems it would take a lot more work to make sure everyone isn’t eating more than a certain amount of beef than it would to ensure only a certain amount of beef gets produced.
whereas if you didn’t consume it, someone else would.
There is more than one person on the planet. There is more than one person acting responsibly. It adds up. "Someone else would do this bad thing I am about to do, so it is okay" is also a very weak defense.
you’re solution of lowering consumption globally
Where did I say that this is the solution? It is an easy and effective immediate action people can take. Or they can spend their time telling themselves that they are alone and nothing matters. You are advocating for the second option.
it seems it would take a lot more work to make sure everyone isn’t eating more than a certain amount of beef than it would to ensure only a certain amount of beef gets produced.
What is the argument here? Work != emissions. And I never said that an authority should control individual consumption. I said that individuals living unnecessarily wasteful lives are part of the problem and take some responsibility. But you go so far to even try to legitimise taking as many flights as you want, so this discussion is pointless anyway.
you argue in such anti-materialistic ways that to have any further argument would necessitate my attacking the very idealistic foundations upon which your thought rests. i simply don’t have the time. read marx’s capital maybe then you’ll get the point we are making
It's also known by the euphemism "solar radiation management". Planning to spray particulates at high altitudes to block out the sun.
What could possibly go wrong? /s
More info: https://www.airclim.org/acidnews/solar-radiation-management-srm-and-geoengineering-are-not-needed
Apparently Bill Gates is very interested in funding this. (With absolutely no consent from the public ofc; he's rich so is allowed to do whatever he wants) https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/07/bill-gates-funded-solar-geoengineering-could-help-stop-global-warming.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7350713/Bill-Gates-wants-spray-millions-tonnes-dust-stratosphere-stop-global-warming.html
Counterpoint: isn't this how we get snowpiercer? Trains > hospitible climate
Counter-counterpoint: Literally any other food > Black roach protein bars
Reminded me of that Simpsons episode where Mr. Burns blocks out the sun and is shot.
Well we rely on plants for oxygen and plants rely on light for photosynethesis so a complete and total collapse of the entire ecosytem.
I like the giant mirrors idea.
Planning to spray particulates at high altitudes to block out the sun.
That sounds like nuclear winter, the thing that scientists have been warning us is a BAD IDEA, but on purpose.
What could possibly go wrong? /s
Explained in the video. The whole second half is about the dangers.
That channel made one video about the climate, realized the doomer truth in its research, then at the end just pulled a coping "UUUHHH I UMMMM GREEN TECH WILL FIX ALL OF IT" out of its ass.
That's not the same as filling the sky with suspended particles to block the sun.
They planted trees in desertified land, allowing rain to be stored and refreshing the microclimates of the area.
There is nothing about that that can backfire like temporarily blocking the sun for 5 years.
It’s probably smarter than nuking the sun, which someone actually proposed
Isn't this what happened to the world of The Matrix? Except we aren't trying to stop robots that rely on solar power.
Boomers, as a parting gift, will make their early long-term lead poisoning look like baby shit
I'd think I'd hate [insert means of death] the most when I start feeling it
The US has provided significant funding to space exploration, it just got sucked up by the shuttle program/STS and defence contractors.
Centuries is very optimistic tbh.
Remember that Hubble is just a keyhole satellite modified for science use, there are at least a dozen others like it up there pointing down
Haha well the military budget makes everything else look quite insignificant.
Plane dumping green gas certainly DOES give me faith that jets would help the world... Thank you so much Youtube image for that hell image.
