Deer, at least. Need a lot more doe tags though bc CWD and overpopulation. Also deer meat being donated to food banks is a thing, I know people who do, that's good. Also good bc it doesn't support factory farming.
Yeah.
Also, you can be a vegan and against hunting, it's cool, but if you eat meat from the store and bitch about hunting, you are A DIPSHIT
I once got into it with someone about how they thought it was inhumane it was to hunt. While fishing. With them. People don't always have their heads on right
You can just eat beans if you don't want to support factory farming and you don't have to go out and kill a dope-ass deer to do it.
If deer are overpopulated in your area you should probably reintroduce natural predators that have been exterminated in your area.
Deer cause an awful lot of ecological damage
look who suddenly pretends to care about nature :porky-scared:
Hunting is necessary in these places, at least until we can figure out how to reintroduce keystone species without pissing off the people who live there.
Petit bourgeois redditors can't help but obscure the material conditions of their kulak farmer allies. You sound like a neoliberal Vox drone
aren't you the same one who compared deer to African people?
I like the points you make, but why call everyone you disagree with a kulak?
It's also partly the human impact on the landscape that has created ideal habitats for deer.
If deer are overpopulated in your area you should probably reintroduce natural predators that have been exterminated in your area.
Yep. Typically wolves (who against all fairytales aren't interested in eating kids, but are interested in eating dope ass deers.
If deer are overpopulated in your area you should probably reintroduce natural predators
Heading on out to the cougar store to get a 12 pack of cougars to release.
Me and the gang heading out to the cougar store to get a whole a case a cougars to release.
Yes, you’re an individual and can only act as an individual.
This is of course, at a fundamental level, correct.
Managing deer populations is better handled by wolves/predators in general along side indigenous hunters, populations are fucked because of how much we fucked over the natural management system and how badly we fucked the people who were here already managing herds for thousands of years. Any tag system is just gonna lead to trophies rather than feeding people or responsibly managing the herd - and really, if you want the trophy just take a picture after stalking or sitting up in a blind. If a big org or agency declares the herd needs to be thinned out or managed, that's fine I guess but there is clinical evidence that you can get CJD from eating tainted venison so its not necessarily the healthiest thing to expose people to.
I'd never shit talk someone who's just trying to get by or feed their family and their best option for protein is to hunt, but that's so few people and besides that chicken and adding garden veggies (peas, legumes, beans) is probably cheaper between a gun, license, tag, time hunting and cleaning and butchering, etc.
where it is not politically feasible to reintroduce them (e.g. UK)
We reintroduced them in Poland and Germany with great success.
The UK is looking at reintroducing some predators, specifically for reducing deer populations IIRC
Yeah, I wasnt considering other places than the US. Obviously whatever works in the UK, I still stand by wolves would be a better management tactic but I guess people got to do what the got to do.
that’s fine I guess but there is clinical evidence that you can get CJD from eating tainted venison so its not necessarily the healthiest thing to expose people to.
Eh, many types meat can give you CJD, it's just extremely rare and it's probably similarly rare of venison.
Incorrect; CWD and CJD are both prion disorders, you're only going to get CJD from prion infected animals, i.e. Mad Cow disease. You think COVID is bad, but a prion based pandemic could quite literally be an extinction level event.
Yes, and I am saying you can get it from many types of meat. Prions aren't very transmissible, you can't conceivably have a real prion pandemic, it has never happened and you definitely won't get it from venison.
EDIT: By "get it" I mean get a pandemic. I may be possible for a human to get a prion disease from venison, but it seems extremely unlikely so far, and not a lot of people eat venison.
You're right about tags and trophies, but does do need to be hunted more, tags would definitely be detrimental to that
Damn, where did that effort post go? The one where he showed us that the deer population are pushed to overpopulation because deer hunting is very profitable...
https://www.greenwichtime.com/local/article/Hunting-has-increased-deer-population-not-643259.php
That was the one that made me realize that on it's really hard to make a blanket statement about the morality of any activity under capitalism. Yeah yeah, no ethical consumption or whatever - it's just a powerful illustration of how complicated these things become when we leave solutions up to the "free market".
Don't kill animals. Also you aren't a morally superior carnist for hunting your meat, just more sustainable. Grocery store meat eaters at least have some degree of not seeing the process and are at least uncomfortable. Hunting is literally taking time out of your day to stalk and murder animals. I've seen the hunting excuse used as a justification to eat meat, to me that just means you have no issue carrying out pointless killing first hand and that's creepy
Do hunt deer, because we killed their natural predators and if we didn't hunt them, it would be worse for the environment then not doing it.
Factory farms are uh, bad. They're bad. The animals are really unhealthy.
Have you thought about what a wild animal is? Do you know what happens to every one of them? CONTENT WARNING
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Legs broken, nothing they can do, limp around and eventually starve to death in excruciating pain
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Old age makes them too frail to forage, slowly get emaciated and starve to death or freeze
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Asshole ripped out by dogs, dog head shoved up the hole, intestines pulled out the ass, slowly die with no ass, genitals, lower intestine, bladder
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Some human with a rifle shoots them directly in the heart, they jump up in momentary pain and then lose blood pressure and black out.
If animals get some or all of the moral consideration we give humans, then relying on natural predators to manage animals like deer sounds like "we need a federal ban on executions... instead let's torture literally everyone to death, not just the people on death row"
"but its natural" is pretty meaningless
So is the problem with hunting about what happens to the animal, or is it about you?
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Obviously reintroducing natural predators is the superior option and should be the goal, but until that has been achieved, we cannot just ignore the current situation (we also can't ignore the fact that humans have been one of those natural predators for thousands of years).
until that has been achieved, we cannot just ignore the current situation
(Hillary Clinton voice) "Will fighting Wall Street end capitalism? no!"
Correct, but the problem is that basically no progress is being made to correct the damage done to the ecosystem. More states should be talking about this, but apparently wolves may be reintroduced there are vast swathes of innocent unprotected sheep so it would threaten farmer's livelihood.
I used to like hunting but then I saw grandma turn deer intestines into spaghetti/chitlins by showing a broomstick up the deer's severed asshole to turn them inside out and get the poops out and now I don't like it anymore
gentle reminder that they do that when you eat factory farmed meat too
Yeah but my house doesn't smell like shit and guts for a week afterwards
It's usually done that way, but the smell can linger around the house for a while
Hunting's not super fucked up if it's an ungulate with a healthy population and if you eat the whole animal or make sure someone who needs it more than you eats it
bonus points for if you're indigenous and/or are food insecure or at risk of it. All other hunting is gross
is meat bought from the store gross? the same things happen to the animals but with more suffering
ight cool. i think vegans have the only good argument against hunting tbh. if we're not talking about eating less meat, then it seems better it was hunted than farmed
If you don't think that about store-bought meat, then you're saying that ignorance of what happens to farm animals makes it ethical
I'm vegan btw :vegan-edge:
but yes hunting good. animal resources need to be managed like any other thing and hunting is how you do that. Do it legally and tag properly and it's good.
overpopulation
eco-fascists talk about this without critiquing the material conditions that lead to ecological imbalances. You're no different than a "Africans need to stop having babies" radlib.
deer meat being donated to food banks is a thing,
Charity is the opposite of revolutionary praxis.
it doesn’t support factory farming.
lol there are no predators to eat deer because they eat farmed animals. Hunt the kulak petit bourgeois farmers and give America back to the wolves
You’re no different than a “Africans need to stop having babies” radlib.
lol
uh
That is a really messed up comparison, big "chicken farm = holocaust" vibes.
Trust me, there's a BIG DIFFERENCE between African people and fucking whitetail deer.
Do you know how nature deals with herbivore overpopulation? Through hunting and disease.
The issue with ecofascism is that there is no need to hunt human beings. We can peacefully decrease population, and we are also under the carrying capacity. Both of these are made possible by industrialization. Until deer industrialize, then yes that is the only solution.
Why is it more humane for the deer to die by a fang than through a bullet? It simply isn't
And sure, once factory farming is abolished, if predators naturally equilibriate herbivore populations, there is no more need for hunting. An overpop based hunting license system will automatically end the practice when that happens, no more change will be necessary, so there is nothing wrong with such a system in the meantime.
Yesterday there were some Canada geese hanging out in my yard. I let them be, but it got me wondering what the rules are for hunting animals in your own yard? Do self defense/castle doctrine rules apply? Could I legally stab a wild goose to death in my back yard? Do I need a tag?
BTW I've eaten Canada goose meat and it tastes like garbage. Or maybe the meat I had was just freezer burned.
