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Chuds can't into art. The further you get from consumption-based hobbies and the closer to creative/artistic ones, the cooler people tend to be.
I'm trying to get r/modernart off the ground for that reason. Modernism, 1870s-1940s~ in particular, has a lot for socialists and almost nothing for reactionaries (short of surrealism and futurism). Marxist art criticism is deeply rooted in superstructure and critical theory more broadly so there's a lot to engage with. Shitting on bourgeois patrons and academics is a central feature of the period so it's art you can bully people with.
Short of surrealism and futurism
Which is incredibly unfortunate because those two things are my favorite forms of art.
I wish both had better communities. Surrealism fails because it's just empty metaphors/ironic imagery/distorted perspective, like the modernism equivalent of Rick and Morty with all the same appeal to people whose sense of appreciation is somewhere between "holds up spork" and "I recognise the holds up spork reference!". Futurism is little big man syndrome for entire agrarian societies. It's the modern art equivalent of a car magazine with all the same appeal to chuds who equate their masculinity with driving really fast. I've started a few surrealist communities, r/fifthworldproblems and r/sixthworldproblems, which I more or less abandoned within a couple years because they're insect lamps for Nazis. Any other movement is going to require historical perspective or extra dimensions of systems thinking or femininity that they're incapable of.
Both could be rehabilitated into a left-radical lens but they'll always come up against that messaging wall. Futurism as train worship and solarpunk, surrealism as Tim Heidecker's more absurdist take.
I mean obviously trends aren't ironclad. Sorry about your guy getting got :sadness:
This may just be confirmation bias on my part but it feels like every story I hear about this happening, it's a musician
I might be wrong but I feel like this has to do with music having an aspect that revolves around crafting an identity, which seems to feed into the sort of egocentric false consciousness that drives certain people towards reaction & fascism... And also because music doesn't necessarily require any social awareness outside of whatever group/genre the music is associated with.
On this note along with @bazingabrain arts are the place to be but there's a sweet stop. The closer you get to it mingling with consumption and product the more ghoulish people get. For example anyone trying to turn their art into a major hustle. Which creates a bit of a weird space at times because that means you need to find folks doing this for fun, that have the TIME to be doing it for fun. There are outliers obviously, I've met some nice people trying to make money off their artistic endeavors, but arts/craft is more of a correlation than a sure fire if that makes sense
For furry communities specifically I imagine the queer-coded-ness is a huge factor too.
Maybe it’s like stand users? Gays attract gays.
:dio-walk: :jotaro-walk:
Chuds can’t into art. The further you get from consumption-based hobbies and the closer to creative/artistic ones, the cooler people tend to be.
Black metal and metal in general lol
Probably Modernist art, a movement that began in Europe in either the late 19th or early 20th centuries. Soviet - style brutalism is part of the modernist school
every landscaper I've met has definitely been a CHUD you're right
but conversely, every farmer's market houseplant seller I've met has been at the very least a typical liberal so.....
the only fellow plant person I've met who I immediately felt a connection to is the elderly japanese man who sells produce and very young saplings as "starter bonsai" at the farmer's market - and that was because he noticed my 'Send Henry Kissinger to The Hague' shirt and laughed.
:sadness-abysmal:
The back & forth temperature fluctation from like 0° to 30° this past month has likely killed 2/3 of my children I have outdoors, although my juniper (the longest lived out of any of them at ~11 years) may live if it can make it another 2-3 months to the growing season. I have little hope for my ginkgo forest, I noticed one of the trees had buds swelling yesterday and it is far too early for that imo since it just lost its fall foliage but fingers crossed. The wisteria is laughing at both of them
where i live we have a communist plant fb group that split off from the liberal hippie plant group over the George Floyd protest
ruh roh
Right wingers often aren't into Star Trek I've noticed. They also don't get too deep into board games.
Tabletop rpgs are a mixed bag of either the worst nerd fascists possible or the most chill people you'll ever meet.
Arts wise, people into sculpture tend to be chill. Also just crafts in general, like baskets or glass blowing or any of that.
certain crafts also attract anti-vaxxer wine moms, the whole DIY "natural" vibe
tbh I find Trekkies in all sorts of communities that fervently defend the scraps of their own ideology reflected in Trek
Generally speaking, if you're musically inclined and have the capacity/drive/time to play in a band, you can do a very good job of limiting your exposure to chuds. I play in a doom metal 2 piece with another leftist (don't think he has an explicit ideology, but he's anticapitalist, isn't scared away by me being an out and proud commie, and has good takes on social issues), and we do a real good job of making sure we don't play with chud artists or just generally interact with anyone right leaning.
You'd have to specifically avoid country music though, since that entire genre is captured by conservatives through some deliberate effort. Folk music is where you'd have to go if that's the style you're into
Metal subgenres also require some vigilance, cause theres a lot of ones infested with nazis and chuds.
:geordi-no: Nordic-model "Social-democracy" Black Metal
:geordi-yes: New Wave of Bolshevik Heavy Metal
Very much so with Nashville country but there are country artists outside of the Nashville mainstream who are decent folk
Okay can we talk about this though. I'm so mad. Like I spent the past week making a playlist full of folksy union songs from pre 1950 and I'm so mad about what country music is now opposed to Pete seeger was putting out. Idk if it counts as like. True country. But I'm still angy. 😾
There's a good :citations-needed: episode about this very subject. Some time in the 1960s conservative politicians deliberately started courting country musicians. "Country" doesn't even refer to a specific style of music anymore but rather anything with an accent and a weepy cloying patriotism. Like listen to any country station today and it's just pop. It'll even have trap beats sometimes.
One of the best performances I've ever seen. My favorite part is 3:42 when the drummer sends his cymbal flying.
https://youtu.be/pIC68oaKIb0 Another deep cut from his Sunday Valley days that's probably the reason he's blacklisted by the CMAs
There is such a thing as neo-nazi folk, though. I don't think it's very common, but it does exist.
I read a story in a music magazine about a somewhat famous neo-nazi who lived not far from me who did weird occult rituals in the woods, and who I believe was a member of the Order of the Nine Angles, an incredibly extreme group. Pretty scary stuff.
I'll see if I can find the link to the story
Edit: here you are. CW for sexual assault, racism, grave desecration, and occultism.
Knitting, sewing, embroidering, and other fabric arts. May not be considered "geeky" by default but you can certainly make it that way.
Generally anything that's seen as "for women" will have better less chuddish communities on average in my experience.
Mycology has a lot of hippies and some chuds are into psilocybin, but highly recommended. Fungi are a natural fit for socialists because it's a field that's deeply rooted in ecology and dialectics. They're easy to grow and fascinating to watch, more like ant farms than houseplants, while supplying a super healthy vegan protein cheaply enough that you can give it away. I'm going into fungiculture as a mutual aid thing for that reason. There's a lot of environmentalist draw in the form of mycoremediation and soil ecology. Foraging is one of the most engaging things I do as a naturalist and has vastly improved my botany/meteorology/ecology knowledge over normal hiking. There is a lot of historical and ethnobotanical tradition to explore, reasons to go outside, and you get a real holistic sense of nature with practical rewards.
someone told me to get into mushroom foraging mainly because it would force me to log off and
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some of the most beautiful wilderness in the world an hour(s) drive away
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there's fucking psilocybin EVERYWHERE out here, especially considering it's been raining a ton almost to the point of breaking the drought
Very worth it. Psilocybin stores dried really well, upwards of a year, and you can make some really positive interventions in the lives of friends. Foraging for mushrooms forces you to really learn the environment you're in and the patterns that generate them, as many form relationships with specific trees and fruit only when it's just right for that species.
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When I was into it it always seemed like it was filled with Identity Evropa types, but I never went to any actual classes so IDK. That was just the comments on certain YT videos lol
All the fascist types into the hobby get kicked out or never actually start doing more than buying stuff and dreaming about using it because you can't be an asshole and be involved. It's dangerous if you are fighting someone who is actually trying to hurt you. It's also difficult and you can't buy skill or get good quickly.
Yeah, and besides they're probably the kind of people who combine vikings, romans, greeks, and celts into some kind of pan-european mysticism rather than the type of people who would spend years trying to recreate the fighting style of 13th century mamluk cavalry from 1st hand sources.
I would be cautious in assuming that reactionaries can't do things that require skill and patience though. They're definitely involved in a lot of modern martial arts.
Fascists can do things that require skill and patience, but not when doing so involves interacting with people that will kick them out for being an asshole. They can't avoid being an asshole for long enough to get good, unless they find a community that will tolerate them.
SCA is also pretty chill as well, made up lots of geeks hyperfocused on various aspects of medieval history (were seeing folks look outside of just euro medieval history too which is cool). Met one dude that recreated mongolian accurate yurts and did lots of leatherworking,
What is HEMA? My brain keeps wanting to make it blood-related and/or FEMA
I found that language learning has few hogs. I think being interested in other cultures/languages to the extent that you are ready to put years of your life into it kind of requires you to not be a chud.
I don't have anything to offer, but all my hobbies are CHUD hobbies. It's really lonely. Every person who is into lifting weights seems to be a Nazi, and I would probably like to date someone who is at least serious about fitness in some way, but they're all lolberts/nazis once they get past a certain level lmao
same thing with cars, basically everyone is a Trumpoid or some fucked up special snowflake flavor of fascist
I saw another comment here about how consumptive hobbies generally breed chuddery and I think that is true, I was sitting behind a lifted Jeep that had a bunch of fashoid stickers on it in my lowered tiny sports car that has a lot of funny stickers on it and I was looking at the branding on his suspension and I was like "damn that shit probably cost more than my car"
I feel like anything that breeds a feeling of possesiveness is going to overtime turn someone into a chudihijadeen....
Within video games, most speedrunning communities are very chill, especially people running retro games and randomizers. Though of course it's exposed to wider gamer/twitch culture, so sometimes you'll see a confused hog wander in. But on the bright side, you'll quickly get to see whether a given community circles the wagons and kick the chuds out.
The Kaizo Mario scene is also good, but not as good (more recently came around, has baggage).
Indie gamedev and game jam culture does not admit many hogs (they're there, but they don't get invited to parties, basically), but it does have a lot more libs and grindset weirdos. Better than the above for meeting people IRL though.
I was thinking about why so many in the radical left participate in "speedrunning"
The reason is the left's lack of work ethic ('go fast' rather than 'do it right') and, in a Petersonian sense, to elevate alternative sexual archetypes in the marketplace ('fastest mario')
Obviously, there are exceptions to this and some people more in the center or right also "speedrun". However, they more than sufficient to prove the rule, rather than contrast it.
Consider how woke GDQ has been, almost since the very beginning. Your eyes will start to open.
Returning to the topic of the work ethic...
A "speedrunner" may well spend hours a day at their craft, but this is ultimately a meaningless exercise, since they will ultimately accomplish exactly that which is done in less collective time by a casual player.
This is thus a waste of effort on the behalf of the "speedrunner". Put more simply, they are spending their work effort on something that someone else has already done (and done in a way deemed 'correct' by the creator of the artwork).
Why do they do this?
The answer is quite obvious if you think about it. The goal is the illusion of speed and the desire (SUBCONSCIOUS) to promote radical leftist, borderline Communist ideals of how easy work is.
Everyone always says that "speedruns" look easy. That is part of the aesthetic.
Think about the phrase "fully automated luxury Communism" in the context of "speedrunning" and I strongly suspect that things will start to 'click' in your mind.
What happens to the individual in this? Individual accomplishment in "speedrunning" is simply waiting for another person to steal your techniques in order to defeat you.
Where is something like "intellectual property" or "patent" in this necessarily communitarian process?
Now, as to the sexual archetype model and 'speedrunning' generally...
If you have any passing familiarity with Jordan Peterson's broader oeuvre and of Jungian psychology, you likely already know where I am going with this.
However, I will say more for the uninitiated.
Keep this passage from Maps of Meaning (91) in mind:
"The Archetypal Son... continually reconstructs defined territory, as a consequence of the 'assimilation' of the unknown [as a consequence of 'incestuous' (that is, 'sexual' – read creative) union with the Great Mother]"
In other words, there is a connection between 'sexuality' and creativity that we see throughout time (as Peterson points out with Tiamat and other examples).
In the sexual marketplace, which archetypes are simultaneously deemed the most creative and valued the highest?
The answer is obviously entrepreneurs like Elon Musk and others.
Given that we evolved and each thing we do must have an evolutionary purpose (OR CAUSE), what archetype is the 'speedrunner' engaged in, who is accomplishing nothing new?
They are aiming to make a new sexual archetype, based upon 'speed' rather than 'doing things right' and refuse ownership of what few innovations they can provide to their own scene, denying creativity within their very own sexual archetype.
This is necessarily leftist.
The obvious protest to this would be the 'glitchless 100% run', which in many ways does aim to play the game 'as intended' but seems to simply add the element of 'speed' to the equation.
This objection is ultimately meaningless when one considers how long a game is intended to be played, in net, by the creators, even when under '100%' conditions. There is still time and effort wasted for no reason other than the ones I proposed above.
By now, I am sure that I have bothered a number of you and rustled quite a few of your feathers.
I am not saying that 'speedrunning' is bad, but rather that, thinking about the topic philosophically, there are dangerous elements within it.
That is all.
An addendum for the fools.
Oh my. I wake up from a nap to a huge amount of triggered leftists in my notifications.
I will address some of the criticisms here.
- Yes, I said "rustled" instead of "ruffled" that is a typo. Sorry.
- Peterson is a thinker and it is fine to cite him. I am not sorry for that
- Yes, the critique also applies to physical sports. They are also nonsensical, but also not adding a new sexual archetype into the world, since it has already been introduced and is already negative (the 'sports star').
- Evolution exists and influences our behavior.
I have been linked a video by "hbomberguy" which made many of the same points as me, but did so while being a radical leftist and he was celebrated.
I, meanwhile, brought in a contemporary philosopher who is more of a centrist and was ridiculed.
This confirms my argument.
We need to pickle that dude's brain so science can figure out what went wrong
"alternative sexual archetypes in the marketplace (‘fastest mario’)" is such a great line, just pure concentrated :brainworms:
I have been linked a video by “hbomberguy” which made many of the same points as me, but did so while being a radical leftist and he was celebrated.
It's funny that he cites this because HBomb's video on speedrunning is about how the whole community is basically forced to collaborate by the fact that video proof makes it impossible to have a "trade secret" and that that makes speedrunning super communist and cool.
Thank you good doctor. My sexual organ has grown two inches, my nipples one inch each, and I have remembered that it is time to clean my room.
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I've found that the D&D community is pretty chill. Playing online with randoms can be sketchy, but even in that environment you're far less likely to run into someone bad than on a video game discord. If possible hit up a game store near you to see if they have a bulletin board or something that local groups post "looking for player" notices.
This goes for D&D-adjacent pen and paper RPGs too, so don't think it has to be the big one.
D&D is a hard hobby to build a friend group when you don't know people, though.
I met the guy who is currently my closest friend by texting the number he put on a "looking for players" flyer at a game store, 12ish years ago. It can be done.
Some game stores host "organized play" which are pick up games where the GM uses an official module.
https://dnd.wizards.com/ddal_general
Pathfinder does this too
https://paizo.com/pathfinderSociety
There are tons of resources out there to find people to play with online - /r/lfg gets like 20 posts a day; the real challenge is finding a group that doesn't disintegrate after 20 episodes
My experience with swing dancing is that it’s mostly full of nerdy engineer libs that like board games
Always wondered what kind of people are into that. I've thought about doing it to try to kill some of my shyness with people/women, but starting it feels so daunting. I play the drums so dancing even just as a joke feels natural, but shit is embarassing
As far as videogames fighting games are are a really diverse group. One of the top players right now is a gay black furry thar conpetes in fursuit. Which amazing to see.
Tabletop RPG can be good as it is mostly a mix of improv theater and gambling but there is no telling about your local scene. To that larp can be good as well, but that is highly location dependant
Board game people are cool, and useually kinky, but war gamers of any kind are not to be trusted.
Nerd shit is always sus. It is targeted to poorly socially integrated people with time and money. So you are looking at petite bougie hunting grounfs you know?
