It’s all allegations, they never even confirmed any cultural genocide taking place in China. Why doesn’t the US just send a NATO rep to investigate and confirm or deny any events taking place?
Oh right, western propaganda
Didn't China invite the USA over to inspect their Uighur camps and we declined?
Also worth pointing out that it was I believe one of W. Bush's natsec guys said in a speech that the USA thought about using Uighur separatists as a wedge to attack China with. And we also bombed them at one point as well.
You can't make this shit up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_detainees_at_Guantanamo_Bay
If you worked at Guantanamo bay as anything other than a defense lawyer, you get the :pit:
Source What is The Empire’s Strategy Colonel Lawrence Williamson (it’s at around minute 21) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=91wz5syVNZs
it's the Iraq war bullshittery of "YOURE BEING COMPLIANT BUT NOT IN EXACTLY THE WAY I WANT"
Apparently people are yelling about cultural appropriation cause an ethnic-Korean Chinese woman wore a traditional Korean dress during the opening ceremony, when its one of the official recognized ethnic minority groups of China?
Its all just heads I win tails you lose scenarios, if China doesn't feature any ethnic minorities thats an example of Han supremacy, if they do feature them then that is hiding the Han supremacist policies and trying to trick the world. If Mao is not featured thats an example of Xi Jinpings hubris in stating that he is greater than Mao, if Mao were to be featured then that is Xi pandering and trying to hide the fascist-totalitarian nature of his regime etc.
Insert Parenti quote about the USSR here, he had a good one about this.
During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence.
If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime's atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn't go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them.
If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.
I am so fucking pissed at how liberal IdPol is used to just crush and erase any actual cultural diversity and material existence. They not only become tools in culture wars, but also their very existence becomes rejected if it does not fit the basic knowledge of some liberal. They cannot look anything up, and they openly reject actual cultural diversity. Like Koreans must be a monadic grouping and cannot exist beyond a certain classification of what we deem is "Korean".
Here is the Internationale in Yanbian Korean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCaCjZ1NwdU
the also make cellphones (and the majority of animated films no matter where the studio is based in)
Diversity is when everyone is a WASP but their skin can be a different colour (but you're on thin ice).
I haven't followed the Winter Olympics stuff becuase its all fake white people sports, but did Mao show up in the opening ceremony?
Like the 2008 opening ceremony very intentionally didn't have any communist symbols or figures, like modern China really didn't feature at all and it was all about ancient Chinese history.
It would be very based if they made all the world dignitaries sit and quietly listen to four hours of Mao quotes and red songs while performers act out fighting imperialist, the Long March and executing landlords.
The thing about it being “white people sports” is pervasive enough that I genuinely don’t know what a non-Anglo winter sport would even be.
China has a huge ice sculpture festival every year. I think Japan also has something similar. They should just turn the Winter Olympics into an ice sculpture contest, it would be way more fun than watching boring ass winter sports no one cares about.
luge and skeleton are two of the greatest ideas anyone has ever had.
huge amounts of "wypipo stuff" come from POC cultures, and have just been force memed long enough to trick everyone into thinking that whites invented it
the oldest known saffron use comes from Iran, not Spain
Arabic numerals come from India (and are termed 'Arabic' because that's where euros got them from)
I belive hockey was invented by indigenous people in what is now :kkkanada:
I didn't care to watch the opening but in the Swedish papers they unironically had the take that the omission of Mao is a statement by Xi that hes superior to Mao.
Lol extremely dumb take but also correct. They should have made the whole thing about Mao.
I've met Korean Chinese from Manchuria before, apparently many ethnic Koreans live there. They were fluent in both Standard Chinese and Korean (and were learning English). Very nice folks!
I was watching the CBC broadcast of the opening ceremony and when Hong Kong and Taiwan came in the camera cut to Xi. The commentators immediately said "wow, that was very deliberate, we didn't do that. CBC isn't filming this it's just broadcasting it so that pan wasn't us. Xi did this on purpose to assert his power."
Then when the Canadian team came on about 5 minutes later the camera followed them all the way to the exit and filmed them until every single person was through the door, completely ignoring like 5 other countries' entrances. Canada was the only team they did that for, and they were commenting on how their CBC cameraman was following them.
Which one is it?
They sounded genuinely surprised that they chose people to represent the 56 ethnicities to carry the flag rather than some famous or prominent figures. They even went so far as to say "this flies in the face of what we normally hear on the news about China"
Maybe sports journalists are not that used to make sinophobic propaganda and will sometimes fall out of character?
Definitely the intent, though the way it was said really came off like the guy who said it had a moment of doubt. A slip up on their part but if I were just a regular dude watching the Olympics I'd probably still pick up on the uncertainty the guy spoke with
This is just a very general observation but it seems like a lot of the US's "allies" aren't going to back us up if the propaganda ramps up much further. I don't think Europe is gonna let us drag them into a war this time. Australia is boned though lel.
there was the bit recently with the Ukrainian president himself complaining that the US was going too crazy over Russia, so it's definitely possible. American soft power is really going down the drain, :inshallah:
Watching libs rabidly defend Ukraine, only for them to turn about and call Ukrainians ignorant assholes for not following the US line of "Russia attack imminent" is...interesting, to say the least.
Canada is still america's lap dog.
:kkkanada: :aus-delenda-est: :amerikkka:
honestly I forget we're separate countries sometimes
edit: actually I was watching Fallout lore videos earlier and Canadians standing up against US hegemony and getting violently put down is the most unrealistic aspect of the entire lore. I'd believe super mutants were real first.
Canadians will never stand up for shit, except maybe to hop in their Ford F-150 and demand to go back to Denny's
It was something like a couple of supply lines were attacked and maybe like one politician was against it so the US was like "better safe than sorry" and annexed the whole thing.
It was more of a foreign popular protest being put down that the actual government of Canada not allowing the US to do what it wanted.
I also like this line:
Little America is ours. But let's face it - it always has been.
C*nada is still whipped into a froth about their spook Michaels. Honestly I think the anti-China zeitgeist is worse here than anywhere.
Only English speaking countries seem willing to follow at this point. Australia seems fully committed to follow us to the death, the UK and Canada are close behind. But even New Zealand is like “Okay that’s enough, we’re not gonna burn bridges with our biggest trading partner for your egos”
It really is an Anglo specific psychosis
Don't know about New Zealand but the UK & Australia have both historically had Labour governments soft couped by the US. The UK twice if you count US spookery around the Corbyn election.
austrialia, has like, less people that california though right? It is just mostly empty, but looks real big on a map so people forget it is mostly just a handful of colonists, rabbits, and some mass graves of the aboriginal peoples.
this is because Americans couped the Australian PM though yes https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/23/gough-whitlam-1975-coup-ended-australian-independence
its true that happened, yes, but i dont think thats a core reason here
people talk about australia having a national insecurity complex and i think that scratches the surface of the real issue - there is a huge undercurrent of seeing australia as a lonely far-flung outpost of civilisation (ie whiteness) among the oriental savages, a real sense of incredible vulnerability. i think its subconsciously tied into that anglo fear about the crimes of our past and getting whats coming to us at the hands of those the west has exploited. you occasionally hear bursts of fear about indonesias third largest military in the world (no idea if this is true), with a definite implication that if the iNtErNaTiOnAl RuLeS bAsEd OrDeR collapsed then indonesia would definitely instantly invade. the north is full of the oriental hordes, and we would be left to the mercies of *them*. i think the same fear is the key driver of the remarkable terror over asylum seekers
britain was australias "protector" but their star has faded and that relationship got a little complicated anyway and too much of a reminder of local and regional history that people would rather not think about. after wwii, america was the shiny new power, appropriately white, and gleamingly free of old world complications. australia has grasped hard with both hands and is utterly terrified to let go, no matter what. the idea of aligning australia with an asian power bloc just doesnt compute - in large part because the idea of entering a bloc with non-whites as equals is considered beneath the national dignity, but also i think because of an incredulousness that they would accept us anyway. and as we go more and more all-in with america, that door closes even more.
its fear that drives australia, but its a more existential fear of what would happen if america let us go. i think thats the core of why australia constantly acts like americas most pathetic lapdog, and especially why china strikes a particular nerve
interestingly, this never seems to have afflicted new zealand to the same extent and im not certain why
cultural genocide
The great thing about this turn-of-phrase is that they're just described industrialization.
China is guilty of doing capitalism in their western frontier.
White people have done a cultural genocide everytime they open a shitty gastropub in a Black or Brown neighborhood
White people have done a cultural genocide everytime they open a shitty gastropub
The presenter labeled it as “cultural genocide”.
But you’re right, industrialization in general has been a cultural genocide or you could even say cultural revolution. For better or for worse
I might be remembering this wrong but didn't the the guy who coined the term genocide include cultural genocide in his initial definition but then a bunch of western states pressured him to remove the cultural aspect because they were all guilty of doing it themselves?
Yes, the definition was originally written to include things like American Indians/First Nations peoples having their kids taken away and sent to boarding school where their traditional religion/language/contact with their tribe was all banned. That stuff did eventually make its way into the United Nations definition, but only after those who were historically guilty of it had all stopped doing it. Also importantly, the definition never included sending adults to night school.
can't wait to commit genocide by reeducating the american populace on how to read.
Another point about the cultural genocide that gets blased on Western Social Media (especially in muslim immigrant circles, where insane propaganda is almost the norm rather than the exception) is that it assumes that all Uighyrs wants to live like Saudis, with a very strict interpretation of Sunnah and islamic jurisprudence in general. However a lot of the Sunnah is obviously based on traditional arab customs, since that is where the prophet Mohammed actually lived. This has historically clashed with the Turkic peoples of central and eastern asia, who have taken influence from a wide variety of different cultures, most notably Persian and Chinese, due to the mongol empires / khanates. One of the things that China was critized for in 2019/2020, was their ban on long beards, because those are mostly associated with Arabic culture, as opposed to Turkic culture. Alledgedly Xinjiang doesn't really have a tradition for the same long beards that you see in the middle east, but when the wahabism was gaining ground in Xinjiang, this started to change. Thus China tried to shut it down, since it was also being practiced by the people who returned from Syria / Afghanistan and had been thoroughly radicalized, and needed to be reeducated.
Wouldn't it be crazy if the US had a roll in cultivating and exporting Wahhabism for the purpose of manipulating geopolitics?
The thing is, if you're arguing with a liberal, you don't even need to say that American intelligence is actively supporting those freaks. Literally nothing I wrote in my prior post requires you to understand the world beyond anything more than "fun" history facts. I also wrote it partly because I am incredibly annoyed at the propaganda aimed at the elders in every mosque in my country.
was watching the NBC (I think?) coverage of opening ceremony with my mom last night and I was pleasantly surprised to hear one of the commentators praise China's work in Africa, and mention that China has a very good reputation in the developing world. Especially since previously the commentators had kept talking about "authoritarianism" and warmongering about Taiwan and Ukraine
The Muslim-killingest nation on earth wants you to know that the Ch***s don't treat the Uyghurs good enough. But also that war with Iran may be needed.
I think they were a threat until about 2014. There were like 20 Uyghurs locked up in Guantanamo.
IIRC as late as 2017 at least the US media was still running stories like "China is too soft on Uyghur terrorism, their deradicalization programs are too little too late and a fool's errand that will never work as well as America's policy of airstriking every suspected jihadist and everyone they've ever talked to."
Nah unfortunately the cultural genocide was a thing right from the start, they were claiming China was destroying Muslim mosques while it was obviously false IIRC they had some renovations or something.
It was never even that in the first place. All Zenz had to work off was a declining birth rate, not anything even close to a holocaust. It only became that because the G word was abused so much in a giant game of telephone.
I’m pretty sure MSNBC will start openly calling to nuke China if it hasn’t already
I switched to watching torrents from Eurosport, so far I've been very happy with it, the commentary has all been about the athletes and the sports and doesn't have any of the jingoistic bullshit you see on NBC or even any super obvious biases towards or against any country. Highly recommend if you can find those torrents or live broadcasts from them
It's some of the most absurd shit I've ever seen. They're so desperate to read malice into every little thing China does. Workers wearing PPE during a pandemic? Dystopian. Playing "Imagine" during the opening ceremony? Dystopian. Fondue lady talking to you? Dystopian.
It's truly pathetic to watch and they just don't stop. If these fucking losers didn't have a complete media monopoly, each and every one of them would be utterly humiliated by the inane, paranoid shit they keep saying, and would never be taken seriously again.
they did actually do that, they determined that there was "insufficient evidence to prove it" and concluded that it is most likely just happening in super double secret. The report didn't get much air on the news for some reason.
Normally when you find there is no evidence for a thing to have happened, you say it didn't happen. Not the state department though.
They did the same in 2008 too. Remember the obsession over China's alleged cheating, Tibet, and how dystopian the whole place was.
Why doesn’t the US just send a NATO rep to investigate and confirm or deny any events taking place?
It doesn't matter if they do or not. They are not sincere about this. They're not interested in the truth, only what can be weaponized against the PRC. Did BBC, Vice get anything when they went? They found nothing even close to that and are still propagandizing till this day.
