Those darn muslims are just too antisemitic, they hate Biden because he stands with the Jews 😔
Didn't think we'd be getting to the DNC backed Muslim ban only 6 years(?) after Trump tried it
We really are becoming more efficient
The most obvious thing a year ago would be for the DNC to pick a new candidate and let Biden take the fall for starting WW3. I honestly don’t know what they are thinking by doing the unpopular thing yet still running Biden.
Either Biden is forcing it, or they are surprised that support for Israel would be this weak.
DNC staffers brainstorming fundraising email drafts as we speak
"We are now under one of the MOST TYRANNICAL leaders in WORLD HISTORY"
And they still get all the policy they wanted, and they get to shrug their shoulders and smugly say "guess you should've voted harder, kid".
Both of the parties are more comfortable being the opposition when they don't actually have to do anything and can collect donations while telling people they need to vote harder.
I always figured you can grift more when actually in power compared to fundraising like chumps in the offseason.
The amount that industry lobbyists will pay to get a government contract or whatever makes donations look petty.
But I have no sense of the actual numbers for any of this
The difference is, the lobbyists expect returns on their money. People getting emails about STOPPING TYRANNY are donating on a 100% vibes basis and will accept "shucks orange man stopped us" instead of concrete actions
Most political money doesn’t come from scared Pearl clutching Liberals, most of it comes from corporations and lobbies. Those corporations and lobbies buy favor with winners, not losers. Less seats and less power means less money.
I think the genocide in Palestine is hurting them more than they realized. And Ukraine - that’s become pretty unpopular but Biden keeps pushing forward.
But I think inflation has really been what’s hurting him the most. I hear about it a lot from apolitical folks I know IRL and they weren’t mentioning it a year ago. Biden’s little cheerleaders on Reddit can talk all day about how the rate of inflation might be going down, but damn near everyone knows they’re paying a lot more for things while their income hasn’t kept up.
Yes but if you remove the price of groceries, housing and gas then inflation is TOTALLY under control!
- : "What are you talking about? Have you seen the surge in the prices of my housing investment portfolio? Biden has been GREAT for shareholders! You've been investing in real estate, right?"
I think they're just running on inertia. It seems to me that Dems have done the "means tested [insert popular policy]" or "vague and neglible motion toward [popular policy]" (Infrastructure bill for example) for so long that they've gotten used to less than bare minimum being enough. It seems as though popular sentiment has finally turned against that means tested bare minimum, and the dems dont understand it.
So they think the only reason Biden is losing is because they haven't educated voters on all the stuff Biden has done (looking at you, Some More News). Under that logic it wouldn't be smart to run someone other than biden - look at all the stuff he's done!
Every election they also triangulate their position to be whatever the republicans had last election - There's votes to be won there! At some point that moves them so far away from the leftist base that the dems gotten used to relying on and being to take for granted. At some point there isn't a logical argument for that leftist base for why they should vote for Dems instead of republicans. Biden ran on being the "harm reduction candidate" and that's not really visible. They used to have climate change to gesture towards, but we are now at the point where immediate action needs to be taken, but the Dems aren't willing. At that point it doesnt matter wether they "believe" in climate change or not, they've shown they do not care about it. Same goes for immigration policy and civil rights.
The Dems have gotten used to being able to ignore these sentiments, why would they change now? It is only now that the chickens are coming home to roost, why would we expect the Dems to be able to realise their predicament?Their sole argument has been "we all know he sucks but he's the only option so you have to vote for him"
Introducing another option would just make it clear they were full of shit the entire time. Especially if they force in another shitlib everybody hates and try to say "actually this person you all despise is the ONLY possible option"
Did you tankies consider that every vote for Trump is actually a vote for Biden?
Biden is crushing it.
Every vote for trump is a vote for fascism, and every vote for fascism is a vote for genocide ergo: every vote for trump is a vote for Biden checkmate liberals
Have Americans stopped to consider that everything is actually great and they're just stupid for not appreciating it? If you'll just look at this chart,
Maybe Biden will share that idea at his press conference tomorrow in Michigan. I'm sure it will be an even bigger hit with Arab-Americans.
"Are arab-americans REALLY Americans? Should we even bother polling them? Hell, why do we even let them vote?"
Not arrogant or long winded enough, but a solid impersonation! :)
Yea I have a sneaking suspicion trying to take credit for an economy where nobody can afford groceries and then calling anybody who points that out an idiot might not work out like they hoped.
Saw this on Reddit earlier. They libs are calling it Russian propaganda. Then they say the demographics are off - so someone comes and shows the demographics are good - they run with the "demographics are bad" anyway.
Yet they quote polling like the gospels when a leftist candidate is doing badly. Funny how that works.
The best thing to do is agree it's Russian propaganda and accept that Russian propaganda (as in the propaganda alone) will destroy the United States and there is nothing that can be done. The propaganda is just too powerful. It worked in 2016 and now it worked again and we've being going oh so hard on fact checking but for some reason it's not working and the MSM just can't reach the common [peasant] worker to make them vote properly.
I went to the politics sub to try and find it, and the very top post was about how Biden was leading in the national poll as if that actually meant anything.
Oh you meant exactly like they did in 2016.
Sure it'll work put great for them this time.
I'm still neutral on how this will go. Gut says Trump, but so many wacky things happen suddenly now that who knows. Some part of me still thinks Trump might go to jail or face some legal consequences. It's still very surprising that Colorado and New Hampshire knocked him off their ballots and now it's going to the supreme court. Also either of them might die or go infirm before November.
I hate living in historically interesting moments
It might actually be funnier if biden wins despite this kind of polling. Might get a redo for Jan 6
that's what I've been guessing might happen for a while. It would be hilarious. It would be the first time that would happen in a Democrat's favor (except if you count 1824, but I don't).
Would be hilarious to see just because the chuds and libs would do a switcheroo on their EC stance.
If there was a legitimate third conservative party you'd get ranked choice voting pretty quick
Yeah that tectonic plate of a contradiction might fucking do it
ahh but memories are short and other things are also shiny
This is the actual funniest option but would require an almost complete 180 on who virtually every state votes for.
Getting 6 electoral voters because you got a combined 12 votes in the Dakotas, Wyoming and Montana is why republicans always do better in EC than popular votes.
Or in an epically morbid rhyme, we let the Supreme Court decide again.
How has he wriggled out of his charges? I remember even the chapos and people on here were saying there's a good chance he won't be able to wriggle out of it this time.
He hasn't yet, he's still got a ton of trials upcoming. He recently had to pay $83 million in a defamation lawsuit. He's still awaiting trial for several more serious indictments. These trials are taking forever because A) It's complicated document crimes B) it's unprecedented to put a former president under this much legal squeeze and C) The court systems bow to money by dragging stuff out as long as possible until no one cares anymore.
He's indicted for something like 90 felony counts, mostly related to Byzantine laws about how to handle documents or how to talk on the phone. I honestly don't understand most of it. But the trials haven't started yet. Who knows what judges will say in the next few months
He's a rich white republican.
That's literally it.
Ollie North has a gig at fox news that isn't broadcast from a cell. They don't actually face consequences.
I have no idea what's going to happen except that trump will never ever face any legal consequences.
That much I am absolutely certain of.
Partially because I've been saying that for a decade at this point and have been right every time despite literally thousands of people telling me he was two weeks from jail for that entire decade.
I don't believe they'll throw him in jail, but they might order him to surrender property or money or something. He's been ordered to pay fines and damages before. That's the most I could imagine.
Yea he's been ordered to pay fines and then has either refused or grifted it from his supporters.
Honestly you're probably going to be right. Trump's going to die peacefully in his bed after nothing ever happens to him. He's had the most blessed life so I don't see it stopping now.
Kissinger recently passed away peacefully at the age of 116 surrounded by loving family members.
It's not a just world.
If Trump becomes the first person to be elected from a jail cell, I will work the rest of my life to learn necromancy and bring my boy Debs back from the grave so he can exact vengeance.
Maybe if he does one more genocide he can turn it around
You're unironically right. War pretty much always boosts a US president's popularity. It's how Bush Jr got re elected after he stole the first election. The hogs love war. Biden bombing Iran, Yemen, or "Iranian proxies" (as American propaganda describes any group in the Middle East opposed to US interests) would boost his popularity.
It doesn't seem to be as much the case nowadays. If anything, liberals will vote for a war president regardless of party affiliation while conservatives vote consistently with their guy declaring war. They think Biden and the Dems are weak even after everything they've done so far. I don't think anything will really change that.
Well Trump didn't do a traditional reelection war and lost. Biden did two, but halfassed so the war electorate is grumbling.
An old guy wanders into a Subway shop with a guy in a suit and shades behind him. The guy talks to his wrist. The old guy has a couple minders with him too but they can't stop him from marching up to the counter to complain in a loud voice.
"I did another genocide. When do I get a free sub?"
"Every third genocide is free, sir. Free to you that is." (glances nervously under the counter)
Worth mentioning that in 2020, Biden won every state on this list aside from NC.
Watching any American electoral thing is like watching the little nukes fly on doomsday simulations.
Libs are in copium mode already. The few I talked to about this have come back with several responses:
-"too early, people aren't paying attention and just looking to blame Biden"
-"Democrats are winning elections elsewhere"
-"Trump may be winning in the primaries, but he's not in the spotlight and 15% of Republicans won't vote for him"
-"if Trump gets charged that will spotlight his crimes"
-"Democrats are winning elections elsewhere"
where, israel?
well they're democrats, even when they try they can't make people like them
Israel hates every US politician despite the US constantly giving them blank checks. Nothing new.
What they're actually to referring to is a small number of random special elections for House
I'd have a hard time not just immediatly telling someone that gullible to give me a thousand dollars and I'll double it overnight.
Betting against liberals and then donating the money to a charity would make you a better politician than 90% of elected dems.
I'm already beginning to see the "awww geez, we have to vote for Biden" stuff from certain YouTube personalities. Personalities who've until now rightfully roasted Genocide Joe.
Oh jesus you just reminded me the libs are going to be trotting out that insufferabe Bo Burnham song again that makes me feel like I'm going to black out and [redacted]
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Someone PLEASE write a "Genocide Joe" song to shame these fuckers.
Yep.
is already warming up quick. A lot of donkey-brained liberals have forgotten to even give a head nod to the fact that the primaries have just begun and this is the time they tell us it's supposedly okay to say we're not voting for their favorite fascist.
Can't wait for liberals to claim the election was stolen, do a shitty protest in the capital, get murdered by cops, and complete their transformation into literal Blue MAGA.
get murdered by cops,
Then they'll complain that radical leftists somehow made the cops kill people.
well yeah, the wretched left made those cops kill the good liberals because the villainous scummy left wouldn't vote for jobe iden
Wait isn't that the plan? My private line to our Chinese HQ has been blowing up with Xi Jinping repeating "Mobilize the pigs" ad nauseum.
ACAB and the prejudiced demonisation of all police, especially by BLM, made the police force less culturally acceptable and appealing to POC. That's why the police are so reactionary and shot a prominent substack author. More POC police, instead of Trumpets, would have descalated the situation with an inspirational speech about our better angels. Leftists and anti-police POC have once again posoined the well, leading to the death of an innocent poet and anti-authoritarian theatre critic who will never be forgotten. R.I.P, Reagan Clairvoyance-Virtue.
I mean, they did that already except getting murdered by cops. The protests weren't as funny and not fully centered on the election being stolen. But I made a lot of Liberals mad December 2020 when I pointed out that due to Russiagate, Liberals were already saying that the election results were illegitimate and asking for faithless electors in the Electoral College or some other procedural bullshit to stop Trump taking office. Up until Jan. 6, the stop the steal people were a perfect mirror image of Russiagate Libs.
So does political polling matter or is it bullshit? The site flip-flops on it alot.
I think Biden polling 8%+ behind in swing states that he won four years ago is meaningful. It's not so decisive that it means Trump is absolutely going to win, but it's definitely not a good sign for the Dems.
It does give an indication of who'd win if the election were held right now, but it's only so reliable. Right up till the last minute in 2016 the polls had Hillary far ahead of Trump, but we know how that turned out. Still, that year was somewhat of an outlier and they're usually not that far off. Really it depends on the methodology of the individual poll, inherent biases, sample sizes, demographics, etc.
These things can also be deliberately manipulated by pollsters to give the results they want.
Up until the last minute? Even exit polling in numerous states were far different from the actual tallies, enough that the results were expected the be the opposite based on that data the day of election.
Depends, when the tea leaves are correct, they matter. But when they are incorrect, they do not matter.
An aggregate of several polls taken around the same (more or less) timeframe can certainly give a pretty realistic picture of how it's looking out there for a certain candidate. You shouldn't base any conclusions around one single poll
I think comparing the same polls between months can have some useful info, assuming nothing else has been changed in bad faith by the pollster (hard assumption once you've seen through the fake puppet dance of electoralism and how all of the institutions are really only for bourgeois self-defense)
Conversation I had with an older black friend:
- Trump will not save Gaza either.
- The United States was founded on genocide, slavery and is evil by definition.
- It is in the interest of the oligarchy to have apathetic voters.
- Third-Party candidates are a waste of time.
- Biden is the lesser of both evils.
- It is a moral responsibility to vote for Biden.
I'm not sure how to respond, because I like the guy, but something about older Black boomers defending the Democratic Party makes for difficult conversations.
A vote for today's foreign genocides, is a vote for tomorrow's domestic camps
Greater or lesser, I'm not selling my soul to any devil
It is in the interest of the oligarchy to have apathetic voters.
You respond to this person by pointing out that lesser of two evilism creates a scenario where the Democrats constantly abandon their constituents and their political bases which generates apathetic voters on a far bigger scale. we don't have a moral imperative, the party has the moral imperative to stop doing this to win us back.
then you change the conversation about how electoral politics are most changeable on a local and state level bc let's be real, whether or not Biden is worse than Trump doesn't matter because an absolute ghoul will be in charge either way.
This is what I have been trying to say to Hexbears for a while.
The electoral system is designed to punish - if you don’t vote for Biden, you get someone even worse. So if you’re a minority you have no choice but to vote for Biden, no matter what you think of him.
People who believe that they can withhold their votes to hold the Democrats accountable or think this will somehow force the Democrats to offer better terms are the TRUE BELIEVERS of electoralism.
The Democrats never cared for your votes, they will never offer you treats in exchange for your votes, they will however punish you (and all the white liberals who are least affected by Trump’s material policies will get the satisfaction of scolding you for the next 4 years) if you don’t vote for them.
imo this simplifies things; options:
- The democrats do not care about your vote. Cool, I will not vote for them then.
- The democrats do care about your vote, and will change their behavior in response to it being withheld; cool, I will not vote for them then.
It really depends on whether you think accelerationism will build the extra-legislative power structure better, or delaying the inevitable will. There is no hope for electoralism, but there is an argument for whether it is worth delaying it while we build up our strengths.
There is at least media support for the resistance aesthetic while the republicans are in power. With Biden libs cheered on crushing the rail strike among many other things they would have been out in the streets about with Trump. If you want to build extra-legislature power I think the answer is clear.
Right
We're still building the wall, we're funding Israel in earnest, we're becoming MORE cop centric....
The only way these sort of people pay attention is when it's something they can tar the other with
So if you’re a minority you have no choice but to vote for Biden, no matter what you think of him.
Biden has deported more people than Trump, he's given the police more funding than Trump, he's started more wars than Trump, we've lost more of our collective rights under him than under Trump, Biden has unironically been the horror that minorities like me expected to see under the first Trump term, instead Trump despite being a nazi, didn't even top the awfulness of the Bush admin
Honestly I don't understand how mfs are still talking about harm reduction at this late date, the calculus is very simple and it does not involve holding dems "accountable" or whatever, it's very simple; under a Trump admin the American left organizes better and has more room to breath, because liberals are forced to concentrate on Trump and have to offer symbolic opposition to the reigning regime, which gives us space to grow
It's no accident the so-called "New American Left" (which is now DEAD) sprang to life in 2016, until it was obliterated by Bernie's capitulation to Biden in 2020, and this isn't an accelerationist position, because under my rubric the dems are the accelerationists, while the empowered left under a Republican admin acts more effectively as a doorstop precisely because the dems can't sacrifice the kayfabe to fully join the Republicans
One way or another the western "left" is gonna have to take a principled stand against the liberals, before we end up in the means-tested internment camp stage of American history
But to be real it's all mute anyway, Biden will win, precisely because the real-world suffering of minorities and people in the global south does not matter to Americans who vote. Biden is simply better for capital, and the American left is still dead
Honestly I don't understand how mfs are still talking about harm reduction at this late date, the calculus is very simple and it does not involve holding dems "accountable" or whatever, it's very simple; under a Trump admin the American left organizes better and has more room to breath, because liberals are forced to concentrate on Trump and have to offer symbolic opposition to the reigning regime, which gives us space to grow
Yeah. 100%.
And this isn't also an accelerationist take because being an accelerationist means you want things to actually, materially get worse.
No, I want a situation in which people will shut down the airports to prevent things from getting worse (Muslim ban) instead of one where people stay home assuming things can't get worse, and Biden can effectively pass a Muslim ban while they're snoozing...and then go ahead and start genociding Palestinians while a gob of fucking liberals still try to deny it despite what's right in front of their eyes.
Yea but if you do vote for Biden you'll also get someone worse next time around when they say "well they've put up with Hillary and now Biden we can run whoever we want"
I've been begrudgingly voting for dems my whole life and they've continued to get shitter.
In New York state the state dems are borderline indistinguishable from republicans at this point because everybody just runs as a Democrat, because the majority of people in the state vote for democrats.
At a certain point it just becomes doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Also the only time democrats have even given lip service to anything I care about in the last decade was when Trump was president and they were all marching in protests.
When dems are president all the same stuff keeps happening but if you raise the same complaints you get a lecture.
It sounds like he's thought this out and has made his personal decision. Honestly, maybe leave him be? That's not the kind of person that is easily flipped (for this objective - they may be ideal for dual power, etc.).
It is a moral responsibility to vote for Biden.
If they actually believed this then they'd be doing more than just voting.
Here's why muslims are to blame for Trump's win
Should have bombed Iran
