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Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Please add to this if you can.

Links

Time/Map: https://time.is/Ukraine

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ukraine/@49.1162725,31.7993839,7z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x40d1d9c154700e8f:0x1068488f64010!8m2!3d48.379433!4d31.1655799?hl=en

Leftist discussion threads:

https://hexbear.net/post/177324

https://old.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/t03foy/genzedong_russiaukraine_master_discussion_thread/

https://lemmygrad.ml/

Twitter military updaters:

https://nitter.net/ASBMilitary

https://nitter.net/Militarylandnet

https://nitter.net/MihajlovicMike

https://nitter.net/KofmanMichael

https://nitter.net/TadeuszGiczan/status/1498673348183744518

Global South Perspective: https://nitter.net/kiranopal_/status/1498723206496145413

Better war/propaganda analysis:

https://www.understandingwar.org

https://www.moonofalabama.org/

News updates:

https://www.cgtn.com/special/UkraineCrisis.html

Live: https://www.cgtn.com/special/Live-update-Ukraine-Russia-border-crisis.html

YT/Video in Ukraine:

https://www.youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsToday/videos

https://www.youtube.com/c/RussellBentleyTe

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    • spectre [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I said earlier (I think you were on the thread too) that they were in a decent position to make peace happen if they really wanted it. They've been going hard on the non-interventionism, but I guess the best time to transition to a slightly more active role is when you're literally invited to do so.

      Like, they are even in a position to make everything advantageous to themselves: and nobody could say shit about it. Something like:

      • Ukraine will not join NATO, which of course implies neutrality since they aren't going to be RF friendly for like half a century after this.
      • Ukraine may need to demilitarize completely (which would get the deal done) or heavily reduce at least, this is the biggest question mark I have.
      • No demand for the RF sanctions to be lifted (since they'll be PRC-oriented by default after this, and NATO can feel like they're "winning", if they want)
      • Ukraine gets [such and such] Chinese infrastructure investments to rebuild, and [such and such] trade advantages with China as long as there's peace. Outside of the obvious civilian casualties (RIP, with all due respect, etc...), they might end up a bit better off than they would have being in either sphere, although tbh, I think that NATO would be very gentle with them since it would be sort of a "prize possession".
      • plov_mix [comrade/them]
        ·
        2 years ago

        The biggest factor against this happening is whether China think Ukraine would be too unstable after this to be worth any infrastructure investment, and whether Zelensky or whoever ends up replacing him (safe Russia backed regime change) can ever be trusted as rational players

        • TheHero [none/use name]
          ·
          2 years ago

          I think the biggest factor against this happening is Russia and/or Ukraine not actually being interested in negotiation.

        • spectre [he/him]
          ·
          2 years ago

          True, I'm just thinking what's Ukraine gonna do after this with no military? try and join NATO? Putin will just move right back in again with no resistance. If they don't do that then there's no reason to think that Russia isn't going to do their part to maintain the peace.

          • TheHero [none/use name]
            ·
            2 years ago

            There gonna do what they should have done to begin with. They are gonna wait 30 years for Russia to completely implode because it’s a tinpot petrostate with shrinking demographics then redeclare independence

            • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
              ·
              2 years ago

              30 years from now the US will be balkanized and the EU neoliberal project will revert back to 1930s level politics trying to deal with the massive wave of African/ME climate refugees.

              Without western support nobody can realy do shit.

              • garbage [none/use name,he/him]
                ·
                2 years ago

                the west doesn't put anything out but consumption and propaganda, which is imaginary.

                what fucking exports do we have that can't be supplied elsewhere? nothing.

              • TheHero [none/use name]
                ·
                2 years ago

                You think the US Balkanizes by 2050? I doubt that highly. There are not even clear fault lines for Balkanization even the most conservative states have like 40% of people that vote the other way and vice versa.

      • TheHero [none/use name]
        ·
        2 years ago

        Do we have any reason to believe that both Russia and Ukraine are actually interested in negotiating at this time? Like it would surprise me not at all if one or both sides were just content to duke it out for now.

        • Petromancy [she/her]
          ·
          2 years ago

          Here are the things that both nations want:

          Russia: Cede Crimea (maybe Donbas Republics??) No NATO ever, de-militarize De-Nazify and stop discrimination against Russian minorities

          Ukraine: Sovereignty and not annexation Full withdrawal of Russian forces

          These things aren’t in direct conflict, so a peace is theoretically possible. However, what’s holding it back currently is that Ukraine is listening to Washington who tells them to never surrender, more aid is coming. They also resist giving up territory (obviously). They also will probably kick and scream about their Nazi friends and try to save them.

          • spectre [he/him]
            ·
            2 years ago

            Tbh I think the Nazi's aren't a major factor myself. I think that they'll take some heavy losses during this fighting, but I don't think Putin cares enough to make it a sticking point, and I don't think Ukraine wants that in the history books so they'll just play dumb about it.

              • SoyViking [he/him]
                ·
                2 years ago

                "Denazification" in Ukraine, as well as "democratisation" of Iraq, is propaganda terms meant to justify the war. In practice it can mean everything, from shooting every last Nazi in the Ukraine to just dissolving the Azov battalion. As long as Russia gets something with a denazification label on it they'll be happy

              • spectre [he/him]
                ·
                2 years ago

                I think the nationalist appeal is exactly why he made it part of his speech and is going to make it a mission objective, but I think recognizing and protecting an independent Donbass does the trick there, which I would expect to happen.

            • Petromancy [she/her]
              ·
              2 years ago

              He’s going to need to publicly trial and punish some Nazis, for domestic propaganda at the least. That was one of the casus belli and from what I’ve seen on Russian telegram they care about it a lot

        • spectre [he/him]
          ·
          2 years ago

          We don't, they probably aren't

          There was a meeting a few days ago that went nowhere, and I think another one is scheduled within the next 12 hours

      • Shoegazer [he/him]
        ·
        2 years ago

        Ukraine gets [such and such] Chinese infrastructure investments to rebuild,

        Curious if BRI will happen there. It wouldn’t be approved by Russia since it would fix Ukraine and improve its infrastructure = more threatening if they were just desolate and miserable. Plus China doesn’t train local workers, so they’re gonna be sending Chinese workers into areas potentially filled with Nazis

        • Petromancy [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          Russia does not intend to keep a permanent desolate and miserable nation on their doorstep, thats not a plus. Anyone would want a more prosperous region for more trade and development, even capitalists. Imperialists go across the globe for a reason, there’s a reason why Mexico isn’t being invaded and bombed - it’s always far away.

          Civilian infrastructure = / = military infrastructure necessarily. There’s plenty of nations near Russia, such as Kazakhstan, where China is getting more involved with BRI even after Putin stomped out a color revolution there at the government’s request.

    • Shoegazer [he/him]
      ·
      2 years ago

      The Ukrainian government has even said that China has been helpful so far and hope they can work something out. What the hell is going on lol

      • garbage [none/use name,he/him]
        ·
        2 years ago

        lol i can't wait for them to say "ok, well, just don't join nato and get rid of your nazis and all is well."

        • SoyViking [he/him]
          ·
          2 years ago

          There's still the Donbass republics and Crimea to sort out.

            • Vncredleader [he/him]
              ·
              2 years ago

              I love the idea that they agree they need peace and will only accept terms if China administrates Donbass and Xi is just left like "the fuck just happened?" stuck with part of Ukraine/Russia to manage

              • NPa [he/him]
                ·
                2 years ago

                now I gotta build a high speed rail line from Donbass to China to keep the country together like wtf :xinternet: