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Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to this if you can, thank you.

Links

Time/Map: https://time.is/Ukraine

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ukraine/@49.1162725,31.7993839,7z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x40d1d9c154700e8f:0x1068488f64010!8m2!3d48.379433!4d31.1655799?hl=en

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1B1PLMhbHmG1aJ2-QNxHY1TksI6HlNhqF&ll=48.60777942568106%2C36.4496511633501&z=7

Leftist discussion threads:

https://hexbear.net/post/177324

https://old.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/t03foy/genzedong_russiaukraine_master_discussion_thread/

https://lemmygrad.ml/

Twitter military updaters:

https://nitter.42l.fr/RWApodcast

https://nitter.net/ASBMilitary :kitty-cri:

https://nitter.net/Militarylandnet

https://nitter.net/MihajlovicMike

https://nitter.net/KofmanMichael

https://nitter.net/TadeuszGiczan/status/1498673348183744518

https://www.youtube.com/c/DefensePoliticsAsia/videos

obvious disclaimers about taking all of them with tonnes of salt etc

Global South Perspective: https://nitter.net/kiranopal_/status/1498723206496145413

Better war/propaganda analysis:

https://www.understandingwar.org

https://www.moonofalabama.org/

News updates:

https://www.cgtn.com/special/UkraineCrisis.html

Live: https://www.cgtn.com/special/Live-update-Ukraine-Russia-border-crisis.html

YT/Video in Ukraine:

https://www.youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsToday/videos

https://www.youtube.com/c/RussellBentleyTe

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  • LoudMuffin [he/him]
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    3 年前

    You know, why is the propaganda push for this war SO intense? A few older people on other leftist spaces are saying they've NEVER seen it this bad, not even for the Iraq war

    It can't just be to distract from COVID and the shit economy...

    like the Dinosaur Jr. releasing Ukraine flavored band merch is the thing that really made me realize the absurdity of this shit

    • ZZ_SloppyTop [he/him]
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      3 年前

      US knows if they fail here and Ukraine falls with no huge consequences to Russia then it’s open season. All of their enemies are gonna start re-taking what the US took from them, bit by bit, and their empire will be whittled down.

      This is America’s Suez Canal Crisis, but instead of handing over the empire to another anglo it’s instead handing power over to Chinese/Russian/Iranian “others” so it’s far more scary

    • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]
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      3 年前

      the internet wasn't as big back then

      could be part of it

      though i remember watching the yankee invasion live on the news

    • theother2020 [comrade/them, she/her]
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      3 年前

      About half the libs I knew then were against the Iraq invasion and they pretty much all hated Bush. Now nearly all the libs I know are cheering on Ukraine v Russia and they love Bide and Zelensky.

      The Dinosaur Jr thing hurts.

      Edit: adding to this, I freely expressed my views on the Iraq war then (in a liberal although military city) but I do not feel comfortable or safe freely expressing my views now.

      • voice_of_hermes [he/him,any]
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        3 年前

        Yeah. Local anti-war rallies and marches here against Afghanistan and Iraq had hundreds turn out. Now it's an order of magnitude less, and I seriously don't think that's just COVID.

    • ThomasMuentzner [he/him, comrade/them]
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      3 年前

      it is all " Gleichgeschaltet " now ... no stupid Nazi Comparison , really its Insane ..Total Lockstep .. Applying all the umasked raw power that they have on the news systems ...

      To Push the Most Insne Line of Reasoning .

      • eddies [he/him]
        ·
        3 年前

        As long as no one of consequence is listening… :inshallah-script:

        • Praksis [any]
          ·
          3 年前

          Seriously I can't believe we're just hoping none of those foreign policy ghouls make a fucking stupid ass decision

      • spectre [he/him]
        ·
        3 年前

        At least the charities aren't ghoulish at the end of the day.

      • voice_of_hermes [he/him,any]
        ·
        3 年前

        Afghanistan and Iraq came after the 1990s and was still a time when tensions with Russia were pretty low, coming down off the Cold War, and Putin and Russia were viewed as quasi-allies.

        Now we have 14+ years of propaganda build-up with the Russiagate hysteria as a major component to make people think the Russians are coming straight for their precious oligarchy liberal "democracy". The State Department and its media wings were well-prepped for this one.

      • ZZ_SloppyTop [he/him]
        ·
        3 年前

        The group of frothing media-obsessed shitlibs was created with Trump, then heightened with COVID, then heightened again against China and now it’s reached its peak. They’ve kept snowballing this group of media hysterics from topic to topic

        • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
          ·
          3 年前

          Right they spent 4 years lying to the american people that not only was Trump put in the white house, hand picked, by Putin, but also that Russia was responsible for all our woes. It feels like this is the end result of those 4 years of non-stop propaganda.

          • ZZ_SloppyTop [he/him]
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            3 年前

            Also lefties fell for the TRUMP IS AN ACTUAL NAZI hyperbole, and by association for them Putin is an actual Nazi (because Putin and Trump are identical and on the same team obviously).

            Putin is not a Nazi, he has grandparents killed by Nazis and has repeatedly discussed how he loathes them. He may be corrupt, rightwing and capitalist but he is not a fascist or a Nazi, and that equivocation is helping libs believe they are fighting on the righteous side with Ukraine

            • PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them]
              ·
              3 年前

              Also lefties fell for the TRUMP IS AN ACTUAL NAZI hyperbole

              There was a lot of hysteria here, but there was also legitimately a rebirth of fascist activity and no effort made by the administration to restrain it. Assuming the worst about the state of the Empire is something I have trouble faulting leftists for.

              Problem is, a lot of this was coopted into "vote blue no matter who" horseshit. Like, you cannot reconcile the idea of Trump as an ideologically committed fascist and think that he will be defeated by Pelosi ripping a piece of paper in half. On the other hand, many people (myself, anyway) recognized that shit was heating up and the response from the "left" (liberals) was woefully insufficient. Watching the Democrats retake the House of Representatives then sit on their fucking hands after calling Trump an existential threat to democracy was incredibly radicalizing in itself.

              • ZZ_SloppyTop [he/him]
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                3 年前

                Calling him an actual fascist rings hollow when the two loudest groups shouting that he was a Nazi were establishment Democrats and “leftists” who vote blue for “harm reduction”.

                The former got into power and did fuck all to combat Trump or reverse his policies or even mitigate them. The latter then covered up for Blue MAGA and started making excuses for them, and never pushed them to hard to reverse the “fascism” of Trump’s policies.

                Hard to take either group seriously after that. In retrospect it was hyped up cynically to get democrat votes in the midterm. And I’m not faulting the hysterical doomsayers from a moralist perspective, but from a practical one - they did not have a coherent analysis of what Fascism is or what to do about it, and in the long run their alarmist cynical or naive nonsense will only make real fascism harder to call out

              • voice_of_hermes [he/him,any]
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                3 年前

                Problem is, a lot of this was coopted into “vote blue no matter who” horseshit.

                Thus empowering someone who, if anything, has introduced far more structural fascism over his political career than Trump did. Wee hoo! 😒

                I keep telling the libs: "Look, draw your line; voice your criteria. Either Trump and Biden are both fascists, or neither are. You really can't produce honest criteria that allows you to have it both ways." Makes lots of them very, very mad, obviously.

            • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
              ·
              3 年前

              Yeah I never really bought into Trump being a nazi either myself. Racist reactionary asshole who panders to actual nazis in his base? Sure, but I never thought he was a true believer. I pretty much think the same of Putin as well. I mean, I want to take him at his word, at face value, and believe he's honestly trying to take out neo-nazis in Ukraine.

              • ZZ_SloppyTop [he/him]
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                3 年前

                Putin purged the far right elements within Russia a couple years ago, a ton of rightwing orgs had to go underground and unofficial because of political persecution. This doesn’t seem like the actions of a Nazi. If he panders, he panders to Soviet boomers with Stalin nostalgia

                • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
                  ·
                  3 年前

                  Right. I remember someone in one of these megathreads talking about the Russia boomers who still have so much nostalgia for the union and hate fascists.

                  • LoudMuffin [he/him]
                    ·
                    3 年前

                    there's two old people in the last Patrick Lancaster vid from the DPR who are exactly that

                    "the whole world is not enough for you Americans?"

                • voice_of_hermes [he/him,any]
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                  3 年前

                  Hmm. What about Dugin? People keep bringing him up. He certainly does seem to be an open Nazbol and influential within Russian politics, but that's about all I know. I don't really care all that much as I don't see much reason to focus on anything but the U.S./NATO end as someone living in the U.S., but it does seem to bring some question to the honesty of Putin's claims to be opposed to fascism....

                  • ZZ_SloppyTop [he/him]
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                    3 年前

                    Dugin is a meme. It’s Russiagate nonsense he has no authority or anything

            • LoudMuffin [he/him]
              ·
              3 年前

              Putin is not a Nazi, he has grandparents killed by Nazis and has repeatedly discussed how he loathes them

              uuhm....based? where he say that?

              • ZZ_SloppyTop [he/him]
                ·
                3 年前

                https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/first/p/putin-first.html?scp=9&sq=Frontline:%2520Breaking%2520the%2520Bank&st=Search

                Here he is talking about his parents and grandparents in the Great Patriotic War. His family was at Leningrad for part of it.

                https://www.jpost.com/international/comparing-soviet-union-to-nazi-germany-now-illegal-in-russia-672821

                He made it illegal to compare the USSR to Nazi Germany, clearly showing he is at least to the left of the average western Liberal who claims they are identical and believe in horseshoe theory

                There’s more but it’s hard to find because searches are flooded with deboonking articles about Putin de-nazifying the ukraine.

    • cawsby [he/him]
      ·
      3 年前

      It is more than that, the first Cold War had bureaucracies on both sides staffed with 10's of thousands of people who had just survived WWII, were reluctant to engage in total war - at least in Europe/USA, and had nothing like modern drone technology, cyber warfare, or MANPADS.

      This war can turn into a conflagration any moment when either Russia is pressured to act domestically or NATO collectively. Russia's economy is in collapse, and the causality numbers for the Russian-Ukrainian conflict are going to put the same sort of pressure on Putin that the Soviet-Afghan war's numbers did on Brezhnev/Gorbachev. Putin doesn't have the manpower to occupy Ukraine, so in the end even a withdrawal of Russian forces will now spark a bloody retreat which can keep escalating the conflict ever further with NATO involvement.

      Every NATO country has its own domestic cauldron of personalities/issues so any one of them could end up in a hyper-nationalist turn and go to a war footing. The US's constant imperial wars alone has shown why NATO is so dangerous. Many countries the world over would have been justified launching attacks on the US since NATO's inception, and then what? NATO responds by leveling the country defending itself? NATO at inception had the opportunity to renounce wars of imperialism. It chose instead to act as a conduit for them.

      I don't hold much hope of either Putin or the dozens of NATO members who are involved to be the adults in the room on this. The generation that knew total war in Europe and the US is almost all gone. Nationalism is the curse that keeps on giving. Without a serious international security organization - without veto powers - this world is in for a rough ride going into 2022 imho.