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Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict
Add to this if you can, thank you.
Links
Time/Map: https://time.is/Ukraine
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ukraine/@49.1162725,31.7993839,7z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x40d1d9c154700e8f:0x1068488f64010!8m2!3d48.379433!4d31.1655799?hl=en
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1B1PLMhbHmG1aJ2-QNxHY1TksI6HlNhqF&ll=48.60777942568106%2C36.4496511633501&z=7
Leftist discussion threads:
https://hexbear.net/post/177324
https://old.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/t03foy/genzedong_russiaukraine_master_discussion_thread/
https://lemmygrad.ml/
Twitter military updaters:
https://nitter.42l.fr/RWApodcast
https://nitter.net/ASBMilitary :kitty-cri:
https://nitter.net/Militarylandnet
https://nitter.net/MihajlovicMike
https://nitter.net/KofmanMichael
https://nitter.net/TadeuszGiczan/status/1498673348183744518
https://www.youtube.com/c/DefensePoliticsAsia/videos
obvious disclaimers about taking all of them with tonnes of salt etc
Global South Perspective: https://nitter.net/kiranopal_/status/1498723206496145413
Better war/propaganda analysis:
https://www.understandingwar.org
https://www.moonofalabama.org/
News updates:
https://www.cgtn.com/special/UkraineCrisis.html
Live: https://www.cgtn.com/special/Live-update-Ukraine-Russia-border-crisis.html
YT/Video in Ukraine:
https://www.youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsToday/videos
https://www.youtube.com/c/RussellBentleyTe
Previous megathreads
!news@hexbear.net RSS Feed https://hexbear.net/feeds/c/news.xml
The reason Americans keep comparing Hitler to Putin is because the average American's sum total of historical knowledge is Hitler, moon landing, 9/11, and then pick 2 of Civil War, George Washington, Great Depression, ancient Rome, Pearl Harbor, Ronald Reagan, Mayflower, Martin Luther King Jr
Certainly not, they know:
- NATO good, USSR bad
- NATO wins because good. Everyone is happy.
- Smol bean eastern European countries join NATO because NATO good
- Everyone is happy, except for Russia who is angry at NATO because Russia bad because Russia = USSR
- Now NATO is the only thing that prevents Russia from taking over the entire world to do communism/genocide/iPhone Vuvuzela.
It's tricky because like, on the one hand, I generally sympathise with the idea that history teachers only have so much time in a day to try and hammer knowledge into students' brains and so you should pick the most important parts and not get bogged down in much more complicated matters; but obviously on the other hand, the information on those subjects you've listed are so woefully (and intentionally) inadequate and sometimes downright false that there's gotta be a way better system for doing this than the current one, even if school systems weren't completely underfunded and so many children weren't experiencing poverty that undermines their education.
I had a fairly decent public school education, I was fast tracked into higher level math, AP classes and whatnot.
It's a fucking travesty the shit that was left out from history. We literally basically stopped at WWII in my Euro/US history classes and I don't feel like it's a coincidence. Honestly, they should make an entire class dedicated to modern world history, and it should be prioritized over a lot of the stupid shit they have you learn about US forefathers, but we know this would never happen.
US history education is not the only thing that sucks. The only thing I remember from history education in the Danish school system is:
- Vikings (cool)
- Knights (they lived in castles)
- King Christian IV built a lot of pretty buildings
- Something about the French Revolution that was actually quite decent
- WWII, the Germans started it because they wanted to kill all Jews. Then they occupied Denmark and you couldn't get coffee any more. Luckily the resistance movement (they were nationalists who loved liberal democracy, the word "communist" was never spoken) won with help from the British and the Americans.
And that's about it. Nothing about the social upheavals of industrialisation, not a single word about labour history or colonialism or whatever happened outside of Denmark or Europe. Not a single word about the revolutions in Russia, Germany, China, Cuba or anywhere else. Not even anything about the very significant, and at times violent, struggle between conservative estate owners and liberal peasants in the 1800's that was extremely formative for Danish society. Nothing about how for centuries imbecile elites led the nation into one catastrophic war after the other.
Liberal-conservative history education is a tool of indoctrination that actively constructs a mirage of a single unified nation, bound together by lofty patriotic sentiments.
King Christian IV
PEOPLE WILL THINK OF ME AND SAY A GOOD KING, HE AND CRY
spoiler
edit: I have to sneak in more Danish band posting :hyperflush:
https://youtu.be/ZctGnled2tk
Yeah, I think starting from a modern centric focus and moving backwards is the right way. You cover what's most important to the present and then try to teach stuff further back, and that way you prioritize relevant history. It would be whitewashed, but not teaching modern history at all is even worse.
Yeah, I think starting from a modern centric focus and moving backwards is the right way.
this is actually how I became interested in history. I remember falling asleep learning about early American history but now knowing about a lot of 20th century cold war shit makes the formative stuff so much less boring because it's like OK how did we get here
That's when the story stopped. It's your job to write the rest young southerner!
the bizarre thing is I remember skipping ahead in history books in school and they had sections on the 70's onward and I was always wondering why we stopped at WW2
i remember skipping ahead in a later edition of textbook and seeing Obama and desert camo US soldiers lol
My first college class was literally called "The World since 1945". It was taught by an expert on right wing extremism.
Exactly, yeah.
My experience is a little different because I went through the UK school system with its own set of idiosyncrasies but the same general lack of education on stuff that's like, actually important to understanding why the world is the way it is. I suppose they might think it's too "traumatic" for teenagers to learn about but, like, we're already taught that the Holocaust happened and that's basically peak trauma on a population if you're looking at anything in the last hundred years or so.
It's been a while, but I was taught like... Romans (but not really the big picture, at least I never internalized it - it was news to me when I learned that there was three phases of Roman history from Mike Duncan and it wasn't just 'Julius Caeser comes out of the historical ether and invents the Roman Empire, and... look at how cool that Roman military equipment is!'), the Middle Ages in England specifically and maybe Europe generally, with absolutely nothing east of fucking Germany), the Great Fire of London, a bit of WW1, a fair amount of WW2, and then that was more or less where it stopped. Everything after that was treated as "and you know the rest!" - I absolutely did not know the rest and had to teach myself it. And also relearn most of the history I was already taught apart from the broadest strokes. And I don't even necessarily disagree that these subjects weren't important to learn, it's just it wasn't done very well, and it didn't cover much of the more recent history that would be important for people alive today to learn. Sure, WW2 wasn't that long ago, but so much has happened between then and now that you can't really extrapolate that much if you knew nothing about the events between then and now other than what the media has told you.
And I was pretty interested in history and would have gone forward with it if I didn't already know that it was a fairly dead-end career path, I would hate to see the average knowledge that somebody who didn't give a shit about any of it. Sometimes I'm like "Wow, I don't know fucking anything about history, I couldn't tell you much about the Korean War or Middle Eastern history or ancient civilizations or the history of European rulers and kingdoms" but then I see somebody (either irl or in the dunk tank or similar places) with such a horrifyingly idiotic take on history that I suddenly feel quite good about myself.
Maybe if they stopped whitewashing the history, it would be interesting enough that kids would pay more attention and they could pick up the pace a bit.
Any history I remember at all from school stops at 1945.
One time in Modern Studies, while being taught that UK good/China bad, I asked if we would learn why China was like the way it was and got told "that's history" as though modern life was somehow disconnected from past events.
I genuinely think they want people to think:
- Cavemen
- Romans
- Knights
- Industrial revolution
- World Wars
- ???????
- Modern day in which everything is good and fine actually
Britain warns Putin of ‘war with Nato’ if Russia steps a ‘single toecap’ on its territory
Britain is the biggest 'hold me back bro' of all western nations. You're a diminished former empire of an island whose economy literally consists of accents, shut the fuck up.
lmao. i like to imagine the ukranians taking edgy/melodramatic photos of a bloodied US flag or something on one of the guy's uniforms to try and get the westerners pissed
Lmaoooo holy shit.
The fact that this is actually close to the truth makes it even better
r/volunteersforukraine on Reddit :reddit-logo: is actually some of the worst/best stuff I've seen. Posts are full of photos and videos of the aftermath of the Russian airstrikes, and the comments are some of the most deranged things I've ever read. Will copy some of the best/worst ones here
I'll admit I was a little naive myself even having seen some combat previously. I did not expect to be attacked by jets while sleeping in a barracks room on a training base 10 miles from Poland.
My guy thought that fighting a modern army with the second largest airforce in the world would be the same as fighting farmers in Afghanistan.
The Ukrainian border guards were asking if we had extra gear for them, unreal how close they're taking it
The sign of a winning side, asking foreigners entering your country for guns and military equipment!
Some good comments though.
wtf did you expect?
That you'll be shooting at some undefended Russian Z-trucks trundling along a road with their crews abandoning their vehicles and running back to Russia as soon as they hear shots nearby?It’s beyond astonishing that these people, grown adults, got themselves psy-op’d into flying halfway around the world to volunteer as cannon fodder for an Eastern European kleptocracy against the fucking Russian Army.
And are somehow surprised when they get blown up by a Russian missile.
Like holy shit, get off the internet and re-evaluate your life.
They got downvoted hard and have 30+ angry replies lol.
But yeah hitting the nail on the head there.
Anyone is a “Russian bot” if they question the primary narrative.
There’s teams of guys at the kremlin who are on Reddit stirring the pot…
simply lol. "I went there not planning on taking much risk" hahahaha dumb fuck of the day award goes to this guy who went to an active warzone joining the fight against the second or third strongest military on the planet and didn't "plan on taking much risk"
He really thought that it would be like the previous wars in the middle east.
Apparently the guy is helping refugees now, so that's good hopefully.
if he is a medic like he says that should have been his plan from the start instead of trying to be a glory hound and nearly getting killed immediately. better late than never i guess
wtf did you expect? That you’ll be shooting at some undefended Russian Z-trucks trundling along a road with their crews abandoning their vehicles and running back to Russia as soon as they hear shots nearby? It’s beyond astonishing that these people, grown adults, got themselves psy-op’d into flying halfway around the world to volunteer as cannon fodder for an Eastern European kleptocracy against the fucking Russian Army. And are somehow surprised when they get blown up by a Russian missile. Like holy shit, get off the internet and re-evaluate your life.
Wish I could gild them for this banger.
https://www.reddit.com/r/volunteersForUkraine/comments/tdnmlj/-/i0lpiuk
https://www.reddit.com/r/volunteersForUkraine/comments/tdnmlj/-/i0kwym3
I think one of them already got silver
Not even as a war tourist, as a mercenary. Russia says if they catch any of these guys they'll treat them like war criminals.
I wonder what happened to the bozo who went to Kiev who's also been to Kabul
Not the same guy, but there's a video of a Belgian guy's interview in Ukraine and the comments are saying he died in the airstrikes on the foreign legion...
This guy really thought he was just going to arrive and do tacticool spec ops shit immediately, just like in call of duty lmao. So delusional. Probably can't even read basic Cyrillic.
Apparently they're giving them an AK, one magazine and telling them to get more ammunition off of dead Russians. But Ukraine is totally winning everyone!
It's an actual death cult, these people want to die. I have no other explanations. Surely the propaganda can't be that powerful.
Millions of people were excited about the outbreak of WWI. Idfk, humans are bonkers.
Yeah it's like WW1, but with airstrikes instead of trenches.
I'll never get over how absolutely moronic these people are.
So many comments noting that "it's not like anything we experienced" like no, really? The West's lived military experience the last 45 years is calling in airstrikes on disorganized poor people armed with ancient AKMs and RPGs who have 0 armor and air support, and they thought it would be similar to that when fighting like the 3rd most expensive military in the world.
Dumb fucks didn't realize they ARE the "disorganized poor people" in this scenario.
And they're doing this nigh-suicidal idiocy to support a kleptocracy full of skinheads, run by a guy named in several "Papers" leaks as having something like 40 mill illicitly
You know, why is the propaganda push for this war SO intense? A few older people on other leftist spaces are saying they've NEVER seen it this bad, not even for the Iraq war
It can't just be to distract from COVID and the shit economy...
like the Dinosaur Jr. releasing Ukraine flavored band merch is the thing that really made me realize the absurdity of this shit
Reddit is nothing but a propaganda site at this point
Deleted all my accounts awhile ago and occasionally use the app. All i am seeing is Ukraine/Russia posts without any semblance of nuance whatsoever
Hard to wrap my mind around it. And it's disgustingly obvious to anyone who isn't a US nationalist and still affected by russiagate brainwashing
Love all the Americans saying this war is taking too long when they fucked themselves in Afghanistan for 20 years.
Conflict is just content to westerners, and this content is now boring. And we actually have to face consequences for our sanctions. Consequences? That's fucked up. I just wanted to fuck around, is that too much to ask!?
Edit: Removed following popular referendum. Don’t let anyone tell you I hate democracy.
Too much? I can delete it just like I’m going to delete Zelenskyy.
Edit: the votes have it. Deleting.
Redditors thinking that you get a loadout and go on missions if you volunteer for Ukraine is pretty funny. This is decades of Iraq War propaganda and military video games. How many of them went over there and was like "I'll be a healer" or "I'll be the sniper" and were put on latrine duty.
ASB Military - *“Sources on ground say the Ukrainians shot up a civilian convoy with refugees between Rubizhne and Severodonetsk. Direct arrivals by car. Some managed to run away from the cars. A lot of wounded and dead people, including women with children. Shelling continues from the Ukrainian side. According to unconfirmed reports, more than 200 people were injured. *
CBS news: “evil Russians shoot up and commit genocide on convoy of innocent civilians attempting to evacuate”
r/VolunteersforUkraine is now repeatedly deleting the video of the American volunteer sent on a suicide mission and telling people not to go. This is about the 5th time it's been removed.
/r/volunteersforukraine: "Kicked Out Of The Unit For Morale Patches And Being an Atheist???" "Hey all quick question: the unit commander told me not to come and report for duty anymore after I handed out 'Oppai Teacher Scarlet Lesson' morale patches to the boys and was spotted reading The God Delusion by Dawkins. I don't get it, did I do something wrong? tia"
lmao this has potential to become a new "Ancap going to Greece" copypasta
Expand on it a bit more, I feel like the op from that post isn't embellished upon enough
Lmaoooo
But unironically these guys thought that it would be like a video game. Deranged. Actual conversation with the OP in Ukraine at the airstrike:
Question to op:
I mean someone has to man those positions no? What did they think they would be doing instead?
Op responds:
Being able to patrol, set up ambushes, have artillery support, go on offensives to take back captured towns. Definitely not sitting around getting blasted, I mean no Marine who wanted to fight in Vietnam would’ve wanted to end up at Khe Sahn right?
:agony-acid:
Being able to patrol, set up ambushes, have artillery support, go on offensives to take back captured towns. Definitely not sitting around getting blasted, I mean no Marine who wanted to fight in Vietnam would’ve wanted to end up at Khe Sahn right?
this was the guy telling everyone "i was going there as a medic bro, i was only going to be helping people, definitely not larping call of duty"
"combat medic" means something else to this guy. He's also posting colonial saviourism bullshit towards Ukrainians telling him to fuck off now lol.
He means a medic like in Battlefield 2042. He's just talking about his class and loadout.
https://www.reddit.com/r/volunteersForUkraine/comments/tdnmlj/-/i0krzp7
/r/ukrainevolunteers: The need to respect your enemy as u decide to volunteer in Ukraine
Being a recently evacuated international student I would like to warn any volunteer to count the cost. If you volunteering based on what you been reading on twitter & social media & CNN & the lies that Russia is being decimated then please stay at home. As much as we want Ukraine to win, the reality on the ground is different. There is no way Ukraine will win without NATO or USA getting directly involved. Before we left my ukrainian friend who studies political science told me the Russians r seemingly slow becoz they dont want to cause a high toll of civilian casualities but will be more ruthless & cruel once most of the civilians have been evacuated. I created this post not to discourage anyone but to highlight the need of respecting your enemy as that will make u better prepared. It is stupidity to head to Ukraine thinking the Russians are incompetent, etc.
Nice try Russia.
The russian army is the shittest thing the world has ever seen. ... etc.
Holy shit I just watched some TV and all the fucking TV people are calling for war/a no-fly zone HELP
Don’t Look Up was a bit cringe, but it did capture the spectacle of the end of the world and how all the media would be breathlessly rooting it on
i'm sure Russia won't mind if the yanks shot down some of their planes
:blob-no-thoughts: