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Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict
Add to this if you can, thank you.
Links
Time/Map: https://time.is/Ukraine
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ukraine/@49.1162725,31.7993839,7z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x40d1d9c154700e8f:0x1068488f64010!8m2!3d48.379433!4d31.1655799?hl=en
Leftist discussion threads:
https://hexbear.net/post/177324
https://old.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/t03foy/genzedong_russiaukraine_master_discussion_thread/
https://lemmygrad.ml/
Twitter military updaters:
https://nitter.net/ASBMilitary
https://nitter.net/Militarylandnet
https://nitter.net/MihajlovicMike
https://nitter.net/KofmanMichael
https://nitter.net/TadeuszGiczan/status/1498673348183744518
Global South Perspective: https://nitter.net/kiranopal_/status/1498723206496145413
Better war/propaganda analysis:
https://www.understandingwar.org
https://www.moonofalabama.org/
News updates:
https://www.cgtn.com/special/UkraineCrisis.html
Live: https://www.cgtn.com/special/Live-update-Ukraine-Russia-border-crisis.html
YT/Video in Ukraine:
https://www.youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsToday/videos
https://www.youtube.com/c/RussellBentleyTe
Had to shut my liberal professor up today in sociology 101, he kept going on about how wonderful Putin is and that he's doing communism. I said "sir, SIR, I served 2 tours in Afghanistan. I know a thing or two about communism and it's no good. And I quote albert einstein when he said "socialism is when there's no food" end quote". That shut him up real fast. I will NEVER let Ukraine or the USA become communist fascists, mark my words.
ASBmilitary account on Twitter is now suspended. Was an ambiguously leftish and pro-Russian (but not uncritically) account with decent updates. Apparently such groups are still on telegram but damnit I don't want to use telegram.
my favorite part was where he complained about how fighting a modern army (Russia) was harder than murdering people that can barely fight back (Iraq and Afghanistan). the only thing that could have topped this off is this limey merc :british-maw: getting yeeted.
A lot of Chinese billionaires that move their asset abroad are going to do a hard thinking after this event is over, lmao. Also, who going to dare invest into the west, especially the UK and US in the future.
I wouldn't be surprised if the stream of shady money funding the Swiss banks will dry up as well, now that they've broken their neutrality and sided with "the international community".
Why are there a lot of Chinese billionaires again?
Seems like an easy fix
National Bourgeois that dont hold the legislative or decision making power in China arent the primary contradiction China faces as it tries to built its socialist project, its a secondary one that was and is used to help resolve and navigate the primary contradictions. Imperialism ,US world hegemony and domestic undeveloped productiove and technological forces
And since when do billionaires add to productivity fight imperialism or help in any way?
Their companies absorb western/foreign capital from investors trying to get rich, and it keeps accumulation out in the open where it can be controlled and monitored instead of underground.
There is less incentive to infiltrate the Communist party to get rich and destroy it from within when they can just go off into their islands or whatever, and in return Chinese national bourgeoisie are protected from competition by Western companies, i.e Baidu and Ali from Google and Facebook.
You know how there's a lot of Chinese owners invest in foreign football club, like EPL (UK) or in Italy, that's how they move their assets, including invest in foreign real estate.
There are a couple reasons, but there has been alot of theory spilled over this topic. One of the theories is that it is better to have billionaires as an outlet than allows people to blame someone other than the government when stuff goes wrong. This only works if they are not allowed to cultivate cults of personality, which it seems is generally curtailed in China (though I can't tell to what extent as I haven't been there).
how do we stop western billionaires from cultivating cults of personality?
Well, for one they don't allow them to do wealth-posting. As well, they don't allow them to self advertise, outside of published interviews (and maybe like a book deal). They get to be a billionaire but their free speech privileges are curtailed. Basically, it's 'Congratulations, you have managed to make yourself an important part of the economy, now you will be treated as such with more scrutiny'. It goes without saying that there are certainly abuses, though its hard to say if there are more or less that the West.
However, in the West the problem is that there are a substantial amount of people who are bazinga brained enough to do this on their own, which there is not much you can do outside of re-education on economic theory and history.
If you are asking how 'we' as in Hexbearians stop this from happening? The horses are outta the barn on that one. Watch, wait, read and counter when people push on the propoganda hard irl.
However, in the West the problem is that there are a substantial amount of people who are bazinga brained enough to do this on their own, which there is not much you can do outside of re-education on economic theory and history.
So the call is coming from inside the house. Frankly, I'm terrified of what it will take to make Americans stop worshipping rich people with above average PR campaigns.
I don't think it will take that much. Most of the people I know who are like this are PMC liberals (think IT and engineering nerds) who are reddit-brained and while they are substantial in the posting wars, their actual physical presence is limited. Most people I know that actually work for and deal with billionaires (being one of them at one point) do not have such rose-colored lenses on the subject. The problem is that D.C. and most state capitals and economics centers are full of these types of PMC liberals.
The issue is getting these people to actually engage with historical critiques, which can only occur if they want it to occur.
a lot of Chinese also hope the west govt do that to those two face gangster in the event of China retaking Taiwan, lmao
saw redditors today absolutely coping about no one will invent in russia ever again after they nationalize businesses that leave, as if the western capitalists didnt start it, did they think russia would be stopped by the hard science of property rights?
So let me get this straight, Ukraine can stop the war by:
- Pledging not to join a military bloc that doesn't want them as members
- Stop trying to rule over areas where the people living there doesn't want to be part of Ukraine.
Exactly what justifies not accepting these terms? Are these two things really worth getting thousands of people killed over?
at this point I'm just assuming that there's a neo-Nazi holding Zelensky at gunpoint at all times, like I know we shouldn't assume rational actors are controlling sovereign nations but this is just ridiculous
assume rational actors are controlling sovereign nations
I mean Putin initiating this invasion in the first place is some evidence of that at minimum.
Ukraine surrendering would prevent the forever insurgency the West has planned for Ukraine
Oh, it's simple, they don't want to be owned, they don't want to take the L, because they're powerful strong big boys like their ancestors and what are anyone's lives worth compared to this
Zelensky wants to make more videos where he’s sitting behind a desk looking angry
Stop trying to rule over areas where the people living there doesn’t want to be part of Ukraine.
I mean nation states dont rly take kindly to secessionism. That's kind of their thing
I don't despise the west. Look at the wonderful things it's given us: fascism, iphone, iphone, iphone, avocado toast, starbucks, sneakers.
don't forget industrialized genocide :sadness-abysmal:
Genocide, Hitler's Ideas for genocide, genocide, genocide, genocide, prison industrial complex, Xbox
I have that fancy new Xbox and I mostly play Tetris on it.
USSR wins again. Checkmate Microsoft.
:only-good-gamer: :USSR:
Bring back the xbox blade style interface, but every blade is a different style of mall ninja bullshit
I think south and central America gave us Avacado toast. Someone was bemoaning that avacado on bread used to be a cheap healthy breakfast but then white people started eating avacados and the price skyrocketed.
Your hope kind of feels like watching the start of a marathon and hoping the runners will run one more meter. There's nothing morally wrong with hoping that, but you shouldn't be worried about it. Everyone involved is already agreed that this will go on for quite a few meters.
where were you wen ASB News die
i was at house eating dorito when phone ring
“ASB News is kil”
“no”
Increase the rent on your side-hustle properties, it’s simple :liberalism:
Danish state media DR had an article on their website where they told that rising prices on necessities was no big problem as Danish families could dig into the significant savings they had amassed during covid because they were stuck at home and couldn't spend money on restaurants or big holidays.
Bourgeois journalists write exclusively for comfy PMC's like themselves.
Maybe Russia should have thought twice about this invasion, now you can't eat pizza hut while playing playstation and wearing victoria secret underwear.
It's easy, just eat tombstone pizza, wear hanes underwear and play xbox.
Better yet, they took away Putin's taekwondo/judo belts.
Pull the troops out, these sanctions have gone too far. :agony-soviet:
This is all so obscene and bizarre. Bush murdered at least one million people and he's been completely rehabilitated in just a few years. He went from being the antichrist to giving people warm fuzzies when he shares a werther's original with Michelle Obama. Seeing this massive, massive reaction to a fairly limited military incursion is just... I don't know if kafkaseque is the right word or what, but it feels unreal. How could people care this much about an invasion this limited? They've never cared before. I mean the US and Saudi are literally trying to genocide the Houthis and have been fore years. But no one cares, or even knows there's a war in Yemen.
Yeah I agree, it definitely felt surreal to me as well several times. Like I literally could not believe what I was reading about the complete BS stories just gobbled up by people, the absolute hate for regular Russians (not even against Putin/military/politicians but like genuinely wishing suffering and death to regular russian civilians), completely unsourced or poorly sourced "stories" being blasted by every major outlet and then you find out "oh it all came from just some rumour on twitter".
Wtf is taking away mcdonalds, banning paralympic athletes and a breed of cat with 'russian' in its name going to do to better the situation?
I think the reason why westerners are so riled up about this is partially because this is the first time they really have seen what war is like and the victims are portrayed sympathetically
Ukrainians being white certainly helps. I have very clear memories of nobody giving a shit about Iraq or Afghanistan and at worst people just assumed whomever was being shot at was a terrorist.
To this day, Americans who opine about how bad the Iraq War was complain only about wasted money and US soldier lives. They don’t even think to mention Iraqis
Any time I ever have brought up Iraqi deaths, Syrian deaths, Libyan deaths, Vietnamese deaths, Korean deaths, etc. all Americans immediately roll their eyes and check out of the conversation. They won’t even go there, they won’t touch it with a ten foot pole
Any time I ever have brought up Iraqi deaths, Syrian deaths, Libyan deaths, Vietnamese deaths, Korean deaths, etc
whataboutism!!!
Growing up, I tended to choose villain factions because I identified more with "the other". Now I see that the people who define "the other" are the real villains.
Dark Eldar are still ancap elves though.
Necrons are the cool old grandpas who know for a fact that all the other factions are full of shit
If I were to start today, I'd probably do a Genestealer Cult Soviet. But I have too much buy-in with my trust-fund elves that feed off others' suffering. I have bought and painted a soviet biker and given him a turban.
Their whiteness certainly helps them being perceived as human but whiteness is not enough. Nobody gave a shit about the people of the Donbass, despite them being just as white as Ukrainians.
The extra component that makes westoids so involved this time is that the bad guy making them flee is an official enemy of the state which makes the stenographers of power in mainstream media eager to portray the horrors of war as they instinctively understands how it's helping the geopolitical objectives of the state.
:chomsky-yes-honey: Finally some good fucking worthy victims :chefs-kiss:
It is still wild to me that Slavs have been promoted to "White".
For bonus points there are actually a fair number of blond haired, blue eyed Iranians, which is another one that has always been weird to me vis a vis American race politics.
It's extra offensive to those who countries have been invaded in the past, like those in the Middle East or Vietnam or Korea, because this is what a war where civilian casualties are being avoided by the invading force looks like in the modern day and it's received a level of scorn orders of magnitude beyond what those wars received in the western media.
If Russia replicated the US's invasion of Iraq or Vietnam on Ukraine, there would be tens of thousands of people dead already. And yet could the media even be more negative and anti-Russian as it is now? They're already virtually saying that Putin's throne of skulls is being assembled in the middle of Moscow as we speak. Meanwhile, a single American drone strike in Yemen killed the same number of civilians that had been killed in the entire invasion in a week and there was basically nothing on that, because it's just example #849292 of America doing what it usually does.
You don't even have the go through the (very recent) historical record! America, in conjunction with Saudi Arabia, is literally doing an invasion of a nation 2500 miles south of Ukraine as I sit and type this out, and has killed over 150,000 people directly and more than double that indirectly, which is orders of magnitude above that which has been killed in Ukraine, and I can't think of a single fucking person on Reddit, or any bluechecks on Twitter, who give even the slightest fuck about it! Let alone put the Yemen flag in their profile, let alone create an entire propaganda campaign against the US and Saudi Arabia, let alone create a barrage of sanctions unlike anything that has been seen in our lives against them!
Even if you believe that the US's sins are instantly resolved the second it gets out of conflict because now it "knows better" and "won't repeat its mistakes", that still doesn't make the United States better, because they're slaughtering more civilians than Russia is right this very moment and has no plans to stop! It's maddening!
People have been posting on here liberals saying that Russians are gunning down entire towns like the My Lai Massacre, they're literally inventing Russian war crimes to accuse them of because they know deep down that the west's hands are absolutely soaked in blood so should be Russia's too. I have no doubt there's probably been some bad shit Russia has engaged it, maybe on purpose maybe by mistake, I don't know, but compared to america's wars, so far they've been trying to keep death tolls low.
This is the shit that pisses me off so much. If you mention that to people who fucking supported Iraq they will just pretend they cared about civilians or say "but what about THIS outrage, we may not be perfect but when we commit mass rape and murder....." it is the most depraved vile shit.
And with the video stuff, there where videos of Armenian civilians being beheaded during that war a year ago. They have no excuse. But they will never shed a tear, even when it is a bunch of Christians being killed, if said Christians dont "seem" white and/or are being killed by american allies
Or America's Kurdish allies being fed in to the maw of America's Turkish allies when the Kurds were no longer useful for fighting ISIS.
Liberals have been saying the most illogical crap. Apparently Putin wants to occupy all of Ukraine, while simultaneously wanting to level the cities so that he rules ... over a pile of rubble?
Do they genuinely think that a military whose strength is artillery couldn't cause much more devastation than it already has? As if they are trying their hardest but the powerful Nazis of Azov and Right Sektor are just too much for them to overcome.
As usual most of their accusations are projection to reify some kind of level playing field false equivalence in hopes that most people will just side with the home team
The way Russia dealt with Chechnya was bad. The Russian Federation does some bad shit. But it's still a rounding error compared to America's massacres since the end of the USSR.
First war with social media and easy video capture. I agree definitely.
With white people… lots of war footage from Syria out there
True, though less on the western people's radar than this, probably for similar reasons. I do wonder what the Iraq invasion would have been like if it happened in 2022, in this sense.
In Iraq I we had tearful testimony about how Iraqi soldiers were rampaging through Kuwaiti hospitals tearing premie babies out of incubators and murderering them. Propaganda has been fucking wild my whole life.
first european war against nato interest and actually noticeable material effects will do that.
