Russia-Ukraine Megathread 21

CARCOSA [they/them] · 3 years ago

Russia-Ukraine Megathread 21

Awoo [she/her] · 3 years ago

What I understand is that the biggest losses Ukrainians have had have been caused by morale, the second biggest losses have been caused by supplies which also impact morale.

Either people surrender, or they get sieged until they run out of bullets and then they surrender.

The primary targets have been ammunition caches. Everything is "How much ammunition do the other shooters have left?"

Alaskaball [comrade/them] · edit-2 3 years ago

That's the fun part of war everyone always ignores. Logistics.

One combat arms soldier needs several support soldiers to keep combat capabilities at optimal levels. The simplifies formula is: If Joe Infantryman doesn't have his beans, bullets and benzene, Joe Infantryman's gonna be fucked.

Edit: this is why I enjoyed playing the vidiyagaem Foxhole, since it illustrates to anyone that plays it the realities of grand-scale war and the logistics nightmare that comes with it.

Nakoichi [they/them] · 3 years ago

Remember when gamers went on "strike" over the support mechanics?

Alaskaball [comrade/them] · 3 years ago

Yeah that was like last month or so wasn't it?

Nakoichi [they/them] · 3 years ago

idk anymore time is all fucky now

Alaskaball [comrade/them] · 3 years ago

Weeks in years years in weeks or something like that

keepcarrot [she/her] · 3 years ago

I do not, but would love to read about it

Nakoichi [they/them] · 3 years ago

https://www.pcgamer.com/logistics-players-in-mmo-wargame-foxhole-go-on-strike/

FirstToServe [they/them] · 3 years ago

I got demoralized from playing that when the buildings started to disappear after you build them.

Alaskaball [comrade/them] · 3 years ago

Oh you had to make sure those buildings had supplies to make sure they were sustainable. Sorts dumb but it prevents passive defense maginot lines like I remembered there were in older game builds

SadStruggle92 [none/use name] · 3 years ago

What I understand is that the biggest losses Ukrainians have had have been caused by morale, the second biggest losses have been caused by supplies which also impact morale.

I saw a Hasan video recently about the proposed peace-deals re. Russia & Ukraine; and a huge amount people seem convinced that this is true of the Russians more than the Ukrainians. IMO, I think they're probably full of shit, but I haven't been paying enough attention to really know anything about the on-the-ground situation (to the extent that anyone actually can) that would refute that argument.

Awoo [she/her] · 3 years ago

Yeah it's just full of shit. People have been huffing the reddit and twitter propaganda too much.

You can't refute it. You can't demonstrate that something does not exist. Russians haven't been running away and all the nonsense about conscripts was plain wrong as conscripts have not been used in this war at all.

It comes primarily from the Ukrainian propaganda that poured out in the beginning before Russia bombed their propaganda headquarters. The propaganda abruptly dropped to like 10% of previous levels after that place got levelled, even in modding leftist subreddits it was noticeable that the Ukraine support bots just disappeared.

SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him] · 3 years ago

I can't speak to morale necessarily but from what I can see, Russia and the republics have been making most of their gains in the south and east as of late. It's mostly been in the form of advances to villages and taking them in a slow (but still like, 10+ kilometers per day) march towards the inner cities like Dnipro. Supply routes are limited to the main roads, so I imagine that's a focus for Russia to take over. There are Ukrainian strongholds dotted around but the Russians don't seem particularly interested in taking them by brute force, but rather encircling them and starving them of food and ammunition until they surrender.

Reliable information of Kiev and the other major cities is scarce at the moment; Ukraine is suggesting outlandish and purposefully vague victories around the cities. In the last day or two Ukraine has verifiably recaptured a couple towns and villages but the general trend continues. Urban combat is very difficult, so you may as well just put your army around it and wait for their surrender. Which is what is essentially happening, but the fact that the Russians aren't going in and toppling every building and firing missiles at every populated area gives the false idea of a massive Ukrainian resistance that is holding back the enemy forces.

The superiority of the Russian forces is pretty evident from the fact that they aren't needing to put in their entire army, nor use their most modern technology aside from NATO deterrence or the odd operation here and there, nor the fact that they haven't just carpetbombed entire regions.