Ukraine-Russia Megathread 22

CARCOSA [mirror/your pronouns] · 3 years ago

Ukraine-Russia Megathread 22

Awoo [she/her] · edit-2 3 years ago

Real talk, the NATO playbook here is going to be to try and create conditions that force Russia into doing what they have been saying Russia will do -- to occupy the country. They want to create a situation that is so out of control that it requires a complete governmental takeover to bring it to order, this will force Russia into doing what it did not want to do at the beginning of this. Something that appears like an annexation or takeover "regime change".

The west will then weaponise this as confirmation they were right all along.

I sincerely hope this outcome can be avoided because it will result in EU countries supporting fascist insurgencies that spread across Europe very easily otherwise.

AOCapitulator [they/them, she/her] · 3 years ago

it will result in EU countries supporting fascist insurgencies that spread across Europe very easily

tbh I think this is already inevitable, the hegemony has decided that this time its going all in on being the nazis

Awoo [she/her] · edit-2 3 years ago

I will go all in on being a fucking partisan if that occurs and they can bite me.

:ira:

Alaskaball [comrade/them] · 3 years ago

Folks sign up for the Awoo international brigade while spots last! :party-sicko:

Awoo [she/her] · edit-2 3 years ago

lmao seriously though shit is fucked up if I have to die pulling down a swastika or whatever variant they come up with in my community I will

Alaskaball [comrade/them] · 3 years ago

Just remember good guerrillas are patient and are in the fight for the long haul. Gotta be around to pop open the Victory sparkling wine, yeah

Awoo [she/her] · 3 years ago

I think it'll play out a little differently. I don't think they will be able to create the blanket nazism they want. Here in the UK for example I'm confident we have entire cities of reds or blacks that would form militant opposition if necessary. There's no fucking way Bristol or Liverpool is going to accept any kind of nazi administration for example. There's no way the trade unions will here either.

Speaking of unions.. The trade unions across Europe will need either stamping out or taking over if they want to achieve it.

Alaskaball [comrade/them] · 3 years ago

Oh yeah I forgot you were a limey. Y'all will probably have drunken pub fights like football hooligans because some CBGB dork clobbered a blackshirt over the head with his cider mug because he insulted his favorite team.

I don't know shit about the UK landscape, but I'm reckoning the most you'll get is dipshits going over to get yeeted by Russian rockets in Ukraine, and the smart dipshits that don't go probably will be encouraged to start organizing more aggressively in the public while draped in the Ukrainian flag, taking advantage of cold-war brainworms to call for the national defense of queen and country against Russian communism or something stupid. Lots of street tussle, probably stabbings and the like.

Awoo [she/her] · 3 years ago

The UK is probably uniquely able to avoid becoming nazified because of being an island with a strong socialist presence. That doesn't mean it won't become some variant of fascist (police state is certainly happening) but I agree with you that we're in a fairly strong position to push out nazification. Even if the state itself heavily pushed for it we would see a left-reaction occur in the form of street fights against fascists. Another battle of cable street eventually.

I wanna say that the UK establishment also seems somewhat reluctant to jump completely on-board with it all. The media is obviously pushing it but the government itself is being reserved compared to EU and the US.

I think they're aware that such nazification here would just create massive instability and drive even greater intent for various movements to break up the UK. Scottish desire for independence would go through the roof if English nazis started to get anywhere.