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Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict
Add to this if you can, thank you.
Links
Time/Map: https://time.is/Ukraine
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ukraine/@49.1162725,31.7993839,7z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x40d1d9c154700e8f:0x1068488f64010!8m2!3d48.379433!4d31.1655799?hl=en
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1B1PLMhbHmG1aJ2-QNxHY1TksI6HlNhqF&ll=48.60777942568106%2C36.4496511633501&z=7
Leftist discussion threads:
https://hexbear.net/post/177324
https://old.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/t03foy/genzedong_russiaukraine_master_discussion_thread/
https://lemmygrad.ml/
Twitter military updaters:
https://nitter.42l.fr/RWApodcast
https://nitter.net/ASBMilitary :kitty-cri:
https://nitter.net/Militarylandnet
https://nitter.net/MihajlovicMike
https://nitter.net/KofmanMichael
https://nitter.net/TadeuszGiczan/status/1498673348183744518
https://www.youtube.com/c/DefensePoliticsAsia/videos
obvious disclaimers about taking all of them with tonnes of salt etc
Global South Perspective: https://nitter.net/kiranopal_/status/1498723206496145413
Better war/propaganda analysis:
https://www.understandingwar.org
https://www.moonofalabama.org/
News updates:
https://www.cgtn.com/special/UkraineCrisis.html
Live: https://www.cgtn.com/special/Live-update-Ukraine-Russia-border-crisis.html
YT/Video in Ukraine:
https://www.youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsToday/videos
https://www.youtube.com/c/RussellBentleyTe
Previous megathreads
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Lets hope 30 years from now I can say "China saved the world from Fascism" instead of saying "hey look! I'm a skull in a mass grave!"
I like China but their anti-interventionism irks me, but I understand why they do it. But the thing is we're like rapidly closing the gap here in terms of the west crawling into bed with fascism, I guess it remains to be seen. Maybe they won't export revolution or attack until they're directly threatened, which I have no doubt a neo-fascist USA would love to do.
We're fucking stuck. Even if China is better, their policies are distinctly Chinese, which makes sense. And then there's the issue of climate change, and I'm not sure the East or West is doing a particularly good job tackling it... current conflicts show just how crucial and efficient fossil fuel still is to run the mammon machine we're currently paralyzed by.
AFAIK China has invested a LOT more into renewable energy than the US but as there are so many factories there and so many coal power plants to wean off, it's a much greater challenge. As opposed to the US and Western countries, where, while it would require a complete reorientation of the economy and basically the end of "free market" capitalism as we know it to reach net zero, the fact that they don't have a shitload of domestic industry (weird, huh? I wonder where that went and who they're now blaming climate change on) means it would be easier. And the infrastructure programs would also make a ton of good jobs for people but 'full employment' is a no-no phrase for most western economists
If I'm a skull in a mass grave, I demand to be crushed by a cool ass robot as the camera pans to explosions in the background
The apocalypse WILL be metal, so help me god
We should start getting skull bone tattoos so we can preserve some choice memes for future archaeologists stumbling across the mass grave
If you want to preserve your tattoos for future generations make sure you die underwater in a peat bog. The extremely low amount of oxygen in the water, combined with the acidity, means you don't really rot. Your bones dissolve, but your skin can be preserved for thousands of years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bog_body
If ever I am looking for a spot do die under my own agency, I'll certainly do my best
I'll stay in the dab pose too
The people digging graves will probably be the people filling them. It's traditional.
I don't think people realise how big a deal Russia having functional hypersonic missiles that fly at twelve times the speed of sound, that can be delivered by fighter jets that can fly at three times the speed of sound, and can be equipped with nuclear warheads, is. Every US and NATO air defence is now useless. Every aircraft carrier is a floating coffin and pile of scrap. It's shut down US power projection big time. You won't be seeing serious calls for no fly zones in Ukraine or Syria anytime soon now.
...So are people just ignoring the fact that the US told Zelensky that Ukraine wouldn't be part of NATO?
What the fuck is the point of all of this shit then? Killing your own people to OWN Putin?
This motherfucker still has unwavering support from every American NPC in existence
A "socialist" is on the morning TV news in order to convince the journalist that his party is 100% in favour of NATO and rearmament unlike during the cold war where they were in favour of disarmament and diplomacy. Lots and lots of talk about "defending democracy", including this nugget:
In the 1970's NATO was an instrument of American imperialism but today it is a democratic forum
Western political discourse is completely fucked.
Zelensky had a Zoom meeting with members of the "Israeli" parliament. In it he claimed:
- That Ukrainians helped Jews survive the g Holocaust, and
- That Russia is out to destroy the Ukrainian people and doing something comparable to the Holocaust.
Basically he just did a Holocaust denial and relativisation in front of a bunch of Jews before asking them to give him weapons.
I've seen so much fucking shit from Ukroflag twitter about how "actually its quite common and accepted in wartime to blow someones brains out on the street for stealing a loaf of bread or a pack of candles so public lynching, torture and humiliation is the merciful alternative".
Is there any merit to this at all or is this just freaks finding excuses for random acts of violence because Ukraine is a saintly country that can do no wrong?
I love how CNN keeps framing Putin's want to de-nazify Ukraine as wild and unfounded when time and time again evidence keeps popping up that the Ukrainian government is in bed with these very same neo-fascists. Anglo media refuses to address this because they know it would hurt the narrative of Ukraine being UwU heckin helpless smol beans who want peace.
so like, is this us reaching the "first they came for the communists" moment? Is that happening now? Or was that after the Nazis official rise to power
I'm already convinced that events so far have sealed europes fate to be set ablaze by nazis once more
and also that there is explicitly an international effort of fascists making their way to Ukraine to join the fighting, we're witnessing the birth of the fascist european equivalent of ISIS, Unite The Right but for the international stage and with the full and uncritical backing of all western media
So we have a recipe for armed, organized, networks of fascists across europe and the west who we are arming to the teeth and allowing to forge revolutionary bonds with one another through the war
This is the biggest propaganda victory for fascists since, I don't even know
PCP is one of the few European communist parties that has really remained based and intact.
"You're a dangerous Neo-Nazi on parole for weapons charges but it's okay if you go to another state to fight for a Nazi insurgency. Just try not to kill any minorities while you're over there. Have fun! Send us a post card!"
also that there is explicitly an international effort of fascists making their way to Ukraine to join the fighting
Luckily the Ukrainians don't care about foreign fighters and most of them are getting bodied or running to Poland.
I've never known fascists to be great critical thinkers, I don't think this will put a single one off, aside from those that, happily, will get domed
Well fascists ideologically follow this weird thing called "ethno-supremacism" where they think anyone that isn't a part of their in-group is worth less than the gum sticking to their shoes.
They also don't really believe in words having true meaning, and everything is open to change and "that's just the way it is now." Its not like "whiteness" is even a thing, but that doesn't seem to stop em
All it would take is for this new wave of fascism to center on "Western Supremacy" in a more general sense to open up a big tent, before of course narrowing to a teeny pyramid of those pure enough
You are getting mad at the Liberal scratchers instead of the Liberals, who are always waiting for the right moment to become fascist
Me: when you scratch a liberal a fascist bleeds
You: Yikes, better never scratch liberals then. Just leave them alone forever and let them get their way. If anyone scratches them it’s the scratchers fault for creating a fascist.
You are blaming Russia for making “more fascists” with their actions. They are not. They are only tearing off the paper thin facade that disguises the western fascists and revealing them for what they always have been
I am not blaming russia lmao.
I am lamenting the likely material consequences of this action/ the geopolitical situation and pushing back against the narrative that akshully russia is the vanguard against fascisms!!!
How you think that means I'm saying we should leave the libs be lest we should scratch them, seriously, what the fuck comments are you reading here??
Are we playing the liberal finger pointing who's fault is it game, or are we doing materialism? pick one and let me know, thanks
You have to know nothing about Maidan Ukraine to think this is making the Nazi situation worse globally. Worse than a fascist state foothold and recruiting ground for the world fascist movement? If Russia did nothing and allowed Ukraine to continue festering and metastizing and importing and training and funding global neonazism then that would be materially worse
Tens of thousands of Nazis are getting destroyed as we speak, including the only official fascist state on Earth.
It is NATOs fault entirely for funding and arming these Nazis
It is NATOs fault entirely for funding and arming these Nazis
we agree on this, everything else is :jesse-wtf: not even resembling my comments
I'm disengaging, please stop replying to me. Feel free to totally own me by editing your comment
Russia destroyed ISIS and crushed that organization when they flocked to Syria, they can do the same here. This is the trash taking itself out
I will choose to not trust or count on russia, because uhhhhh...
but hey that's nice at least
I’m sure you were saying the same thing during the Syrian Civil War and calling Assad a fascist and Russia an imperialist
If there’s one thing you can count on Russia for its military destruction of its enemies in wartime
I’m sure you were saying the same thing during the Syrian Civil War and calling Assad a fascist and Russia an imperialist
Mostly missed this one due to not being politically involved or educated at the time, so, no
If there’s one thing you can count on Russia for its military destruction of its enemies in wartime
Well it's a good thing their enemies are and always will only be the enemies of the proletariat, and not of their imperial government, right?
Right?
Let me spoil the ending for you because the tankies were right about Syria and have always been right: This both sides nonsense is childish. The anti-NATO, anti-terrorist side is correct and needs critical support and victory.
You are either a troll or a chud, either way I'm done with this interaction lmao
Making up future hypotheticals to get mad about instead of looking at the actual situation happening right now in the real world
I don't even necessarily think you're wrong about Russia, but you're the one making up and arguing about future hypotheticals so that's a weird thing to accuse someone else of doing. It's also ridiculous to demand or even expect that others give their full support of a capitalist power. Being suspicious of Russia's future plans (while also recognizing they are not the aggressors but are doing the truly good deed of killing nazis here and now) is absolutely a valid position for leftists.
Assad is a fascist.
He literally invited David fucking Duke former Grand Wizard of the KKK for a state visit and put him on national TV to do a fascist rally saying Syria's fight against Israel and the US rights fight against (((zionists))) are one struggle.
The printing house personally owned by his former minister of defense (a marriage of state and corporate power, I wonder where I've heard that one before :thonk: ) has published 2 new editions of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in the last 2 decades along with some several blood libel books he personally wrote and the Syrian Ministry of Information in 2005 decided that was what they wanted to show at the Syrian stall of the Cairo International Book Fair.
None of this justifies the carpet bombing of Syrian cities, but Bashar, Hafez, and the Syrian Ba'athist party are violently antisemitic nazi sympathiser, anticommunist ethnonationalists and have been since before they first took power.
We have to consider where all of this flood of NATO weapons is going to end up too.
If I was part of a state anti-terrorism command I would be losing my shit right now. Javelin's can kill anything that moves from 2km away. School bus full of nuns? Yacht full of prime ministers? Balcony full of diplomats with a line of sight to a nearby hill? Boom. Boom. Boom. And then there's all the small arms and high explosives that are going to turn up missing, the armed drones, the RPGs, and god knows what else.
They’ve been coming for the communists, Jews, LGBT and Russian speakers for 8 years. Highest hate crimes in each of these categories in the post-Soviet states, sometimes higher than all other post-Soviet states combined. It was getting worse each year. They were fucking Nazis
Don't forget Roma. Europe hates Roma people probably more than any other minority.
Yeah it sucks I know people who got discriminated against as Roma because they can't even distinguish between Roma and poor people
Think I might've missed something. Did Putin come out and say he supports the communist left in Russia?
No, ukraine banned all 'opposition/ pro russia' parties(also all of the leftist parties), and we're seeing evidence of mass punishment of undesirables or people who just look/sound russian or have incorrect politics by militia/ military police/ fashy citizens
plus, from the word go the west has been pushing "russia is commulism!!!1!" narrative, this was the goal
For being a very based guy, Zelensky seems to be pretty pro censorship. Liberals neglect his banning of TV channels he didn't like (a year before the invasion).
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-medvedchuk-tv-channels-zelenskiy-defends-ban/31085877.html
Zelensky admitted yesterday to CNN, the US told him they are not going to be a NATO member, but "publicly the doors will be open", i.e. to keep the facade that Ukraine might join. I don't think he was supposed to say that part publicly, since it means US could have easily prevented the war. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZl8DIKkAdg around 16:45. The fuck?
It’s funny how we could see the propaganda the west carry out at maximum in real time that could distort that Ukraine losing winning and Russian is losing. While not mentioning that Russia have air superiority and could carry out a massacre at will if they wanted to. When you have air superiority, that’s equivalent to winning
CW: Twitter thread featuring video and photo of public humiliation and torture, includes nudity and violence
https://twitter.com/Youblacksoul/status/1505309631542931459
Yet to see any real widespread acknowledgement of how much evidence there is of vigilante "justice" and public torture at the hands of both civilians and national guard/armed volunteers. Well, except for ukroflag twitter saying that each one is a Russian spetsnaz saboteur and looter receiving just punishment.
The part that gets me down is that liberals won't care. They'll call you a PutinBot and that all these people deserved it. Real upside down world hours when chuds are having more humane takes.
when the chuds who are just being contrarian have better takes than every single lib :desolate:
When the blog has a post titled "Here is why reptilian jews are behind all the evils of the world" and then another post talking about the war in Donbass and the Western influence in the 2014 coup
:deeper-sadness:
Here's the thing with chuds, at least they acknowledged there's something wrong with the world. Instead of blaming it on neoliberal capital like the left does, their anger gets funneled into antisemitic conspiracy. Liberals are even more infuriating because there's no reaching them. They're true believers who refuse to accept that capitalism has and is failing. I'd argue that it might be easier to reach out to chuds more than libs, I could be wrong, but seeing as I used to be a chud, the transition to becoming a leftist honestly wasn't that hard.
That's a good point, there are quite a few chud converts seemingly for that reason.
It's funny because I just substituted the jews for capitalism. I think I've always been a leftist in some capacity, I just lacked the vocabulary and concepts to ground myself in, so the next best thing to me was racism. I see a lot of this in QAnon especially. They're bang on the money about the bourgeois being ghoul sex pests it's just they think it's exclusively democrats and that they eat babies rather than blackmailing each other with pedophilia. Where as a lib would just brush off all of QAnon as being bad and goofy without looking at that kernel of truth about the bourgeois.
Chuds on social media just what libs don't like. If liberals are supporting Nazism now, then chuds will oppose fascism despite just recently being all for it.
Holy fucking shit, I just kept scrolling and scrolling and scrolling, there seems to be no end to these videos of people tied to posts in the cold half naked, getting beaten abused and humiliated, even children
WHAT THE FUCK
It's also very clearly something that is organized on a larger scale, it's being done with pretty much the exact same method in almost all of the footage, not just random acts of violence and humiliation.
It's almost like theres a lot of organized fascists on the ground there fighting an organized physical and ideological war and the liberal west is clamoring to help them
It's almost like 56 volunteer units were created to carry out to perform mixed police and military duties as an arm of policing and terror across the country for Azov, by Azov commanders while in charge of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
It's almost like this exactly mirrors the expansion of the SS.
But there's only 40 azov nazis in all of Ukraine! Anderson Cooper and Rachel Madow personally told me Ukraine's nazis aren't nazis even if they say they are nazis, and that they don't hold any political power in the government regardless of whether or not they're the designated go-to group for the U.S state department on political matters in Ukraine!
No siree, no nazis over there I did nazi any nazis. But over the border there a whole country of tankie communist red-brown communist oligarch dictators that you gotta believe me are the real evil of the world!
Good thing there's no global media apparatus massaging events or manufacturing consent for such an expansion!
Real talk, the NATO playbook here is going to be to try and create conditions that force Russia into doing what they have been saying Russia will do -- to occupy the country. They want to create a situation that is so out of control that it requires a complete governmental takeover to bring it to order, this will force Russia into doing what it did not want to do at the beginning of this. Something that appears like an annexation or takeover "regime change".
The west will then weaponise this as confirmation they were right all along.
I sincerely hope this outcome can be avoided because it will result in EU countries supporting fascist insurgencies that spread across Europe very easily otherwise.
it will result in EU countries supporting fascist insurgencies that spread across Europe very easily
tbh I think this is already inevitable, the hegemony has decided that this time its going all in on being the nazis
I will go all in on being a fucking partisan if that occurs and they can bite me.
:ira:
Folks sign up for the Awoo international brigade while spots last! :party-sicko:
lmao seriously though shit is fucked up if I have to die pulling down a swastika or whatever variant they come up with in my community I will
Just remember good guerrillas are patient and are in the fight for the long haul. Gotta be around to pop open the Victory sparkling wine, yeah
I think it'll play out a little differently. I don't think they will be able to create the blanket nazism they want. Here in the UK for example I'm confident we have entire cities of reds or blacks that would form militant opposition if necessary. There's no fucking way Bristol or Liverpool is going to accept any kind of nazi administration for example. There's no way the trade unions will here either.
Speaking of unions.. The trade unions across Europe will need either stamping out or taking over if they want to achieve it.
Oh yeah I forgot you were a limey. Y'all will probably have drunken pub fights like football hooligans because some CBGB dork clobbered a blackshirt over the head with his cider mug because he insulted his favorite team.
I don't know shit about the UK landscape, but I'm reckoning the most you'll get is dipshits going over to get yeeted by Russian rockets in Ukraine, and the smart dipshits that don't go probably will be encouraged to start organizing more aggressively in the public while draped in the Ukrainian flag, taking advantage of cold-war brainworms to call for the national defense of queen and country against Russian communism or something stupid. Lots of street tussle, probably stabbings and the like.
The UK is probably uniquely able to avoid becoming nazified because of being an island with a strong socialist presence. That doesn't mean it won't become some variant of fascist (police state is certainly happening) but I agree with you that we're in a fairly strong position to push out nazification. Even if the state itself heavily pushed for it we would see a left-reaction occur in the form of street fights against fascists. Another battle of cable street eventually.
I wanna say that the UK establishment also seems somewhat reluctant to jump completely on-board with it all. The media is obviously pushing it but the government itself is being reserved compared to EU and the US.
I think they're aware that such nazification here would just create massive instability and drive even greater intent for various movements to break up the UK. Scottish desire for independence would go through the roof if English nazis started to get anywhere.
but the government itself is being reserved compared to EU and the US.
Probably has something with your feds clapping their own cheeks with their withdrawal from the EU and seemingly a trend towards isolationism in favor for internal stability.
Honestly kinda feel like that was a good move if the EU fucking collapses all by itself over the economic disaster they're creating for themselves with these Russia sanctions.
Russia will nationalise everything that has ever been privatised since 1991 if it has to in order to survive. EU is fucking up badly and getting caught between the US and Russia on this and utterly fucking themselves. The EU is MUCH more reliant on Russian gas than the UK is. Russian gas is only 4% of UK supply. EU is 45%.
Yeah it'll be interesting watching how the economics side plays out in the coming months. Like whether or not the nato nerds actually go all out and self-destruct in actually trying to hold Russia accountable, or they hope everyone forgets about this whole crisis in a few weeks and quietly undo all of the sanctions. Also Russia will be an interesting watch since it seems like their economy wants to crumble in a run-away financial collapse but is being held together with their federal intervention and freeze. It's definitely going to be one hell of a show watching the cards fall
If push comes to shove... Would Russia do real-politik socialism? That sounds really fucking weird but part of me thinks it's not off the table.
Probably make it some bizarre abomination that makes a mockery of the USSR economic system
I mean... Yeah.
But if they're forced down the road of massive nationalisation then they also need to think about how to manage that politically and efficiently... If they mass nationalise then they also have to centrally plan the economy and if they centrally plan the economy they have to find ways to solve the inefficiencies of central planning.
The solution that makes sense is to devolve the planning out to local councils. Empowering them each massively.
The outcome of which would massively empower communists in the country... To the point that all you would need to establish a DOTP would be for the communists to gain top-level leadership again. It would be a restoration of a heavily corrupted workers state to some degree out of necessity as only such distribution of power can handle a near-fully nationalised economy. You're right to call it a bizarre abomination... But I see it as a possibly very beneficial direction?
I've been saying it a lot recently
This is Unite The Right but for international Fascists
The temperature is very important here. It's between -4 and +7 degrees Celcius depending on where you are in Ukraine.
Huh wow... You're telling me that you can simply accuse someone of being a "saboteur" and then hurt or kill them?
Literally what can you even respond with, "No I swear I'm not a saboteur! I hate Russia just like you, look uh Slava Ukraini!".
Probably say whatever the Ukrainian shibboleth they're using is, but then they'd probably get accused of being traitors or just exceptionally well trained saboteurs instead.
Well as shown in the videos that although Russian and Ukrainian are very similar languages there's a few words that are really difficult to pronounce for Russian-speakers. So they might just use that as an "excuse" for you being a russian saboteur.
It'd be like a midwesterner asking somebody from the northwest how they say potato to catch them saying potato
OR.... they now expect you to "prove it" by taking part in the torture of some other person...
I'd imagine a lot of these people were caught or accused of looting, one person was caught stealing bread, which is beyond fucked. It's a literal disaster in Ukraine, people stealing shit should be the absolute least of your concern.
anglos who're obsessed with private property 🤝 ukrainian death squads
I wish the UA flag fuck pootin crowd watched this and explain what they’ve seen, then state what they stand for before saying anything else.
Thing is they'd probably support this.
It could literally just be someone you owe debt or one of your rivals in some form. Criminal opportunists would use the excuse of "saboteur" and being given fully automatic weapons freely, not to mention the police are obviously MIA right now.
If you just shot someone for no reason who's going to arrest and prosecute you during an active war?
Yeah right now would be the perfect time to accuse people you hate of doing sedition in Ukraine.
I wonder if Zelensky outlawing activities from opposition parties and leftists will encourage them? :thinking-about-it:
Archive: https://archive.md/Bh8Sm
Doesn't let you play the videos though, so people should be saving those separately. EDIT: yt-dlp is not working to backup the videos, keeps throwing errors. Not sure how to save.
yt-dlp is not working to backup the videos, keeps throwing errors. Not sure how to save.
put the following commands between yt-dlp and the url: -o "%(uploader_id)s.%(id)s.%(resolution)s.%(ext)s"
in other words, just copy/paste this and you should get the video:
yt-dlp -o "%(uploader_id)s.%(id)s.%(resolution)s.%(ext)s" https://twitter.com/i/status/1505309631542931459
YW. I only knew about it from searching the web for the error it put out.
Im sure everyone whos family he forced to go die in an unwinnable war are so horny for him like they are in this totally normal and healthy country.
I like that they still call it an action figure
You'd think they'd call it a doll to rub it in putlers face even more haha ur a doll for little girls now!!!
But if they did that no manly men who masculinely support ukraine could handle it
