• CyborgMarx [any, any]
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    3 months ago

    What's r/politics take on this lmao?

    I mean libs have breathlessly told us Trump is a "danger to democracy" yet here Biden is inviting him to co-write legislation

    Liberals are universally full of shit

    Edit: Tried to post it in r/politics, deleted within minutes lmao

    • happybadger [he/him]
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      60
      3 months ago

      https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1b3e6t8/trump_echoes_nazi_propaganda_in_border_speech/

      I did however find this.

      Any who stand with Trump are un-American pieces of shit.

      MAGA proles won't understand until their own faces are being stomped upon by the very militarized Trumpists for whom they cheer.

      not-immune-to-propaganda

        • happybadger [he/him]
          hexbear
          15
          3 months ago

          They're wild. All they do is log in every couple days to call Red MAGA traitorous terrorists.

          https://reddit-user-analyser.netlify.app/#WaterIsOftenWet

          99 posts in r/politics, 1 in r/news. Top used words: trump, maga, traitor, magas, putin, gop, traitors, party, shit, fuck, stench, republican, republicans

          I also like this Guy: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1b3e6t8/trump_echoes_nazi_propaganda_in_border_speech/ksssj5e/

          dTrump💩 spouts Nazi claims and immigration lies.

          How is this news? dTrump💩has been spouting Nazi propaganda and immigration lies clearly over and over since Charlottesville “There are good people on both sides”

          And that is only counting starting from when dTrump💩became the worst president ever elected

          I've gone a few pages back in this goober's history and they consistently only refer to Trump as dTrump💩. Every time they do, they make a point to use it multiple times in the comment.

      • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]
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        3 months ago

        "Hear me out, I know he said he wanted to build a wall himself in 2006 and is building one now, I know he's still operating camps, I know his AG lobbied the Supreme Court for the right to indefinitely detain migrants, but this is definitely just a clever gambit and not a veil for him to do exactly what he's wanted to do for decades, and he's so much better than Trump trust me"

      • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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        50
        3 months ago

        The excuse was someone already submitted it hours before, but of course the one submitted hours before was deleted and that had no explanation lmao

        Mods there are absolutely astroturfed and full of shit

        • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]
          hexbear
          17
          3 months ago

          The only way you will ever find anything critical of Biden is by looking under Controversial sort there

          You will never see anything critical of him on Hot or Top

  • EmmaGoldman [she/her, comrade/them]M
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    3 months ago

    2024 is going to find Biden winning the election and then inviting Trump to be Chancellor.

    First as tragedy, then as farce.

    • Philosoraptor [he/him, comrade/them]
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      54
      3 months ago

      1000% could see Biden winning and then pardoning Trump / lobbying state AGs to drop charges in order to "heal the nation." Libs would turn on a dime and eat it up.

    • Xx_Aru_xX [she/her]
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      45
      3 months ago

      Show

      Biden and Donald Trump together makes me have faith in America again

  • invo_rt [he/him]
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    3 months ago

    I love it when everything you need to survive in the US hellscape is drastically more expensive than it was a few years ago and the chuds once again have the whole country focused on immigrants who have no money and no political power.

    manhattan

    • RyanGosling [none/use name]
      hexbear
      30
      3 months ago

      They believe that Biden is paying migrants tens of thousands of dollars, that they’re eating fancy steaks in 5 star hotels, and selling fentanyl as a side hustle. They’re not in this reality.

  • YourMom [he/him]
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    3 months ago

    God I love the replies to this story

    https://twitter.com/ElieNYC/status/1763386496499798437

    Show

    • RedQuestionAsker2 [he/him, she/her]
      hexbear
      52
      3 months ago

      The Clymer types are the worst.

      People who interpret things that are obvious on their face and then pretend it's 4D chess while saying things like "ah yes, brilliant maneuver"

      Just the lib version of Scott Adams

      • InevitableSwing [none/use name]
        hexbear
        29
        3 months ago

        Scott Adams

        My favorite example of how he's like somebody's batshit crazy right-wing Facebook uncle is after Trump said you could inject bleach to cure covid. Adams tied himself in knots tweeting explanations to the clueless masses about what Trump "actually meant".

    • VILenin [he/him]M
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      32
      3 months ago

      Pictured: Breathless sycophant cretins in a personality cult when someone dares to question dear leader

      • RyanGosling [none/use name]
        hexbear
        15
        3 months ago

        God damn. I went back and took a look after I saw your comment and the name hit me like a truck lol. I can’t recall my exact experiences but I’m positive I know the same from the Trump era

    • AfterthoughtC - he/ him@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      hexbear
      23
      3 months ago

      I know using pop culture to describe politics would be considered very... liberal by you guys but I feel like this is how I'm processing it; it feels like blue apologists engage with politics the same way a ttrpg player engages with a Blades in the Dark campaign. If something undesirable happens just do a Flashback to rewrite reality in your head.

    • AsLeftAsTheyCome [they/them, any]
      hexbear
      20
      3 months ago

      They think they’re the smartest people in the room for recognizing an obvious political stunt when they’re actually dumb as fuck for thinking it’ll work.

      If they can see it, everyone else can too, including the undecided conservatives they’re trying to persuade. The people who vote for presidential candidates based solely on how racist they are to migrants are still going to vote trump and they’ll love however trump chooses to respond. Biden is just throwing away immigrant votes and setting himself up to be dunked on because he’s a white reactionary who wants other white reactionaries to love him.

      Not to mention how obviously inhumane it is. It’s not that leftists are too stupid to understand what biden is trying to do, they just oppose it because they have principles and a basic understanding of reality.

    • NewLeaf [he/him]
      hexbear
      18
      3 months ago

      "here's how Mueller will still prosecute trump"

  • @Kaplya
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    3 months ago

    Look, it’s very clear what Biden is going for here.

    Biden is showing the bourgeois elites of the country, and especially to the Republican donors, that he is the one who will get the gravy train going after the November election. So, if you’re part of the wealthy donor class, who will you choose?

    At this point, merely 3 years into the Biden administration, if you had been a wealthy Republican donor, there is no way that you have not benefited from Biden’s policies. All of the right wingers crying about “Biden’s inflation” are seeing their asset portfolios shooting through the roof. Biden is showing that he has done everything Trump had promised to do yet failed to deliver, and with more to give.

    The only thing that the Republicans are missing out on is the billions and billions of Ukraine laundering money, and it’s a Democrat exclusive club only. If you want that slice of the fat, you’re gonna to have to jump over to our side.

    This is precisely why a certain segment of Republicans is so vehemently opposed to the Ukraine war, and doing everything they can to block Biden’s funding bill for Ukraine, and why the Ukraine funding will NOT end before the election. It’s a huge carrot worth more than $100 billion dangling in front of the Republican donors to constantly remind them of what they’re missing out.

    It’s funny that people still think Biden ever gave a shit about pandering to the voter base, as if democracy is a thing, when everyone knows very well that the US electoral outcome is decided by campaign donors. Once you capture the support of the campaign contributors, you win the game.

    What does Trump have? Record profits for the wealthy, ending Covid, anti-immigration, support for the police force, war profiteering - Biden has already done it all in just 3 years, and out-flanking Trump competently from every angle.

    Trump only has his culture war stuff to cry about, and that’s what the future of the Republican party will be: a party of culture war fanatics. And it will implode within itself as the crazy MAGA donors chew each other out fighting for the last piece of pork, while the smart ones had already jumped ship to the other side. And you know what, one thing is constant for the bourgeoisie: they love money more than anything. As the campaign contributors continue to abandon the Republican party, it will no longer be able to amass the resources to mount serious campaigns against the Democrats.

    Say what you will about Biden, but he is leading America towards a new era. Forget about the America you grew up in - that era is already over. Biden is leading the country into a new stage of American capitalism - the form of capitalism that no longer has to take the mask off for a moment to do the deed, but the capitalism that has decided to free itself by taking the mask off permanently. The final stage of liberal capitalism is always going to end up the same: fascism.

    • MayoPete [he/him, comrade/them]
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      24
      3 months ago

      So what are the libs going to do? Become full-throated fascists?

      I know a lot of libs, and the one thing that seems to tie them all together is they honestly believe they are the "good" guys. We all see that when they twist themselves into knots trying to defend Israel when they are clearly wrong... are we just going to see more of that but for every ghoulish take Democrats have going forward?

      • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
        hexbear
        32
        3 months ago

        So what are the libs going to do? Become full-throated fascists?

        No, they're going to remain what they are - the polite fascists. They do all the same policies, just as civil, adults in the room, making hard decisions, coming together to get things done

      • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]
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        3 months ago

        The voters do believe that and many try to be that to some extent.

        But they give carte blanche to lib politicians, almost all of whom (at the national level) are basically indistinguishable from conservatives of 10 years ago, in part due to what Kaplya describes; they are trying to outflank conservatives from the right, as they always have, but as conservatives get more and more unhinged, so too do dems shift further and further out. And voters desperately try to justify it all, because they don't know what else they can do besides vote.

        Look at the rhetoric around immigration now, just 10-15 years ago it was about having sanctuary cities and how inhumane Bush had done it, now liberal politicians just flat out tell the press that 'we have border problems' and 'we need to securitize it', literally 3-5 years or less after they talked about how deranged Trump had been when he was doing the exact same stuff.

      • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
        hexbear
        24
        3 months ago

        Talk to your average Democrat. Go and speak to them or listen to what they have to say. And I don't mean voter, I mean person in the party. They are already there.

      • @Kaplya
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        21
        3 months ago

        The Holocaust wouldn’t have happened if the millions and millions of German libs hadn’t stayed quiet (and even actively collaborated) while the Nazis were shipping Jews and other minorities to the concentration camps.

        At the end of the day, you know where the libs will stand. History has already taught us this lesson.

        They’re probably genuinely good people when you meet them in person, but that doesn’t mean they won’t stay silent (or even secretly report you to the authorities, because that’s the “right thing to do”) while the fascists are rounding people up. You’ll probably get a “I’m so sorry this is happening” pity from them as you’re being executed.

        • silent_water [she/her]
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          6
          3 months ago

          don't need history when they're saying the genocide denial out loud right now about the Palestinians.

    • SkingradGuard [he/him]
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      12
      3 months ago

      This is precisely why a certain segment of Republicans is so vehemently opposed to the Ukraine war

      Yeah but also they believe the RF is "based and a Christian nation" and they want to nuke China because muh evil commies.

      • @Kaplya
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        3 months ago

        Maybe some of them, but I find it extremely difficult to believe that American bourgeoisie, conservative or not, would consider an alliance with Russia a worthwhile investment.

        In many ways, Russia is a direct competitor to the US.

        Russia’s military equipment and technology sales threatens the profit margin of US military industrial complex. Russian oil and gas directly compete with the American fossil fuel sector. Russia has developed its own agricultural export sector that could alleviate food insecurity in the Global South, and while it is still not as well developed, still provided a cheap alternative food source to the American ag giants.

        But that’s not even the worst yet. Profit margin is one thing, Europe has directly benefited from cheap Russian energy and raw materials which have been instrumental in developing a very competitive tech sector, and in turn allowed the Europeans to compete with the American tech industries. This is bad news for the American capitalists.

        And a strong Europe with secured energy and raw material source from Russia is a much bigger threat to the US than Russia ever could be, because what if Europe decides to throw their weight behind China and take down the US empire together? A Europe-Russia-China alliance would have been the worst nightmare for the American imperialists.

        Once you see all these connections, then it made sense why Ukraine has to happen. Fighting Russia is really just a side step to prevent Europe from shifting its weight and mutual dependence towards China. That strategic goal is pretty much achieved by this point, even though they had failed to destroy Russia.

        The ghoulish part here is that they somehow managed to also turn the Ukraine war into a money making scheme where the war is deliberately prolonged, sacrificing countless Ukrainian and Russian lives just to make their profits grow.

    • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
      hexbear
      9
      3 months ago

      I’ll believe that part about the Republican party’s death when I see it. Democrats have proven for decades now that they’re more competent to the donor class. Everybody thought Pat Robertson’s evangelical movement meant the end of the party, and then Sarah Palin’a Tea Party movement, and now MAGA. That’s not even mentioning the New Deal era when people were convinced it would never have a strong return because of how poorly they performed for almost 20 years.

      They’re a cockroach that bounces back every time.

  • JealousCactus [comrade/them]
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    39
    3 months ago

    Democrats could execute every male migrant and Republicans will say they are soft on immigration for not killing the women and children too.

    • coeliacmccarthy [he/him]
      hexagon
      hexbear
      32
      3 months ago

      dems will find a compromise: deport only half of every migrant child

      • jaywalker [they/them]
        hexbear
        23
        3 months ago

        idk if this is a clever joke about cutting kids in half, but it should be

    • casskaydee [she/her]
      hexbear
      15
      3 months ago

      And liberals will say they're the lesser of two evils because Republicans would execute them even harder.

  • KoboldKomrade [he/him]
    hexbear
    36
    3 months ago

    Instead of doing literally anything about abortion, healthcare, or the environment, lets instead do 99% of what the fascists want, so when they win, because their base wants 100%, they can get 100% within months.

    • Mardoniush [she/her]
      hexbear
      16
      3 months ago

      On the one hand fascism is capitalism in collapse and even a socdem candidate would need to do a small fascism for structural reasons.

      On the other Biden is really trying to speedrun the US straight to being outright Nazis with elections.