Took me a bit and I am a little drunk but here are the totals. We had a good showing.

Note: some comments got cut out because the server doesn't like displaying more than 300 from what I can tell. I did my best with what it would show, I just sorted them by new. This should be fairly representative of the currently active userbase. As an aside, I believe we did a similar survey a looong time ago, and we had only 33% of the active userbase as trans.


Random thoughts:

A lot of people were very very cute and confused and essentially asked me to decide their gender for them. Eggs? Probably. This isn't Harry Potter and I'm not a hat so I just went with what they were sounding more convinced of.

A lot of people are even cuter and don't understand how to follow instructions, though some of this is my fault. Made this a little harder to organize.

Some people were not cis and did not identify with the words 'transgender' or 'gender diverse'. If I ever do a trans/adjacent survey again, I think I will ask 'Are you cis?'

I may do a survey for queer people overall eventually, and the question will be 'Are you cishet?'

I would love to do more scientific, inclusive polling and have better and more questions and options, but we need some good secure polling tech for that, which we don't have. So I just have to ask simple questions and get a handful of answers.

Next time I will look into how feasible it is to post a couple of comments and get responders to upvote certain ones. This might fix the issue of the display of comments being limited.

Since some people have two sets of pronouns, both of their pronouns are included separately.

Since the poll was public, some marginalized groups probably shied away from answering. If we ever get a secure way to poll people, we would get more realistic estimates of the trans and cis women userbase.


#Tallies

Yes: 121 
No: 137
Maybe: 37 
Total: 295

If you think something is fucked, you can do it yourself, the thread is public. Hope you like pie! shrug-outta-hecks

  • RedQuestionAsker2 [he/him, she/her]
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    9 months ago

    A lot of people were very very cute and confused and essentially asked me to decide their gender for them. Eggs? Probably.

    UwU I just don't know... I'm totally cis but if someone were to tell me otherwise I guess I could go along with it... crush

    Oh no, I hope they don't pick some cute gender for me shy

    A-are they gonna make me change my pronouns on the bear site? That would be so...! ralsei-blush

  • MaoTheLawn [any, any]
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    9 months ago

    I think there being only one cis woman on the site comes down to cis women potentially not wanting to reveal that sort of information because men on the internet would inevitably be strange about it.

    That said, there's probably only 5-10 more in hiding (if that, even).

    It would be interesting to see other instances demographic surveys - have they ever done any?

    • Rx_Hawk [he/him]
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      9 months ago

      I think this is entirely true, if pretty sad. Cisgender women I have been in online gaming communities with nearly always end up harassed at some point.

      This is true for trans women too, but for different reasons.

    • FourteenEyes [he/him]
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      9 months ago

      How dare you suggest men on the Internet would not be extremely and incredibly normal grillman

      • goog [any]
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        9 months ago

        The site rules on anti-harassment immediately clarify you can still be "ribbed or grilled" and the definition of this seems completely open.

    • ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]
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      9 months ago

      I was going to comment on the "No"'s who went out of their way to choose [any] or [they/them] pronouns, but this would make sense as a reason to choose those.

    • Erika3sis [she/her, xe/xem]
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      9 months ago

      comes down to cis women potentially not wanting to reveal that sort of information

      One could create an alt account specifically for answering the survey, but that's maybe a bit botherstinky.

    • Hello_Kitty_enjoyer [none/use name]
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      9 months ago

      ehh I feel like it's potentially the AFAB people on this site being much more open to different interpretations of gender. The "maybes" and the "nos" both have far more she/her pronouns than the "yes"

  • Moss [they/them]
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    9 months ago

    Wow this site is overwhelmingly AMAB. I knew AMAB people were the majority but I didn't expect it to be that much of a difference.

    I guess that's because the site originated from a Reddit community. Would it be worth trying to recruit from more AFAB-dominated communities, like Tumblr or something?

    • Erika3sis [she/her, xe/xem]
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      9 months ago

      Would it be worth trying to recruit from more AFAB-dominated communities, like Tumblr or something?

      Conèche, we need diversity of perspective.

    • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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      9 months ago

      It would be tough, since our culture is mostly reddit and 4chan derived, there would probably be some rough culture clashes.

      Trans-femme culture still has a lot of masculine tendencies and accepted behaviors because those people were exposed and normalized to (or operating in opposition of) cis-masc cultural norms. I like that the culture here is generally derived from trans-femme posters, but cis-femme (even leftist cis-femme) is another cultural animal, a different paradigm, entirely. A lot of things, like PPB, would probably have to be discarded.

      It's a moderator decision for sure.

    • soli@infosec.pub
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      9 months ago

      This is the weird reality of the internet. I've met far, far more trans men in real life than trans women but online it's the complete opposite. I have no idea why.

      • ashinadash [she/her]
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        9 months ago

        Big ups to trans men for being a lot less terminally online, lol

      • Erika3sis [she/her, xe/xem]
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        9 months ago

        I've personally met more trans women IRL than trans men — but regarding your experience, I also feel like trans women are probably more likely to be closeted than trans men.

          • Erika3sis [she/her, xe/xem]
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            9 months ago

            For some it might be personal shame, for others it's going to be survival strategies, for many it's going to be a bit of both. Women are disproportionately more likely to support trans rights while men are disproportionately more likely to oppose, and you can also generally count on women to not be actively violent and creepy in a way that you absolutely cannot count on with men. So I think that whichever is the predominant gender in your social group is going to affect the immediate consequences of your coming out, how many people around you are potentially dangerous and how large of a support network you can maintain after coming out — and whichever gender dominates your social group is oftentimes determined a lot more by how others see you than by how you see yourself.

            This is obviously not to imply that coming out as a trans man has no consequences whatsoever, though.

      • Cromalin [she/her]M
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        9 months ago

        it is sometimes easier to be openly transmasc than transfem irl (not that it is easy to be transmasc, but the pressures are very different)

      • keepcarrot [she/her]
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        9 months ago

        I know more trans women, but most of the trans men are not terminally online in the same way that many of the trans women are. Just anecdotally

    • booty [he/him]
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      9 months ago

      Pretty sure there are like 4 total AFAB people on this site

    • TRexBear
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      9 months ago

      deleted by creator

  • Cromalin [she/her]M
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    9 months ago

    remember when those lemmy nerds were saying we were all faking being a trans inclusive space?

    • HaruhiSuzumiya [she/her]
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      9 months ago

      She is reverse Ganondorf and is destined to rule us for 100 years until another ciswoman is born to us

      • Erika3sis [she/her, xe/xem]
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        9 months ago

        Holy shit comrades, the real Haruhi Suzumiya just replied to me, I guess that means I really was an alien the whole time and those "you were born on the wrong planet" guys weren't lying

  • Poogona [he/him]
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    9 months ago

    Got so much respect for the trans posters here, the depression I had growing up stemming from a comparatively light amount of alienation and isolation from my peers took an incredible amount of effort to climb out of, so it seems like an almost supernatural feat to me to be openly trans in these times.

  • Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]
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    9 months ago

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    While I get I can't read gender by just asking "Are you trans?" and "Pronouns?", did we not find a single cis woman on this website?

  • DerEwigeAtheist [she/her, comrade/them]
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    9 months ago

    Thanks for doing this, it's very interesting.

    We have comparatively few transmen it seems. 3% of the"yes vote" use he/him pronouns, in comparison, 42.4% use she/her.

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      9 months ago

      This is driven primarily by the source of the userbase here being reddit exiles. We have a low number of transmen because reddit has a low number of transmen.

      I think also to a lesser extent transmen are often less radicalised than transwomen due to the focus of right wing attacks being far larger(quantity) against the latter.

      • SerLava [he/him]
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        9 months ago

        This is driven primarily by the source of the userbase here being reddit exiles.

        This is called an "evolutionary bottleneck" lmao

        This is a great point, my mind went straight to "what are we doing to discourage afab people from being here" and while that should still be on our minds, the real answer is that reddit did it

    • kristina [she/her]
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      9 months ago

      should be noted some of the he/hims that voted yes also had other pronouns. not sure if theyre trans men or not, just a guess. blahaj also had a trans survey recently just for /c/trans

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      which was similarly low. i think most of the trans man stuff is on twitter and tumblr

      • DerEwigeAtheist [she/her, comrade/them]
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        9 months ago

        Yeah, but that also kinda applies for she/hers, look at me, for example. So it should hopefully not weight in too much.

        Also most of the "No" people use he/him, she/her are not even shown on the graph.

        • kristina [she/her]
          hexagon
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          9 months ago

          all im getting is we need to find a fediverse tiktok/tumblr clone, make our own instances, and hook it into hexbear

          • Erika3sis [she/her, xe/xem]
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            9 months ago

            Tumblr is already planning on integrating into the fediverse in the near future, and the Pixelfed people are working on a TikTok clone called Loops as we speak.

  • ashinadash [she/her]
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    9 months ago

    WE FUCKING DID IT sicko-hyper Even though the dataset & stuff is janky, very good results, not entirely surprising.

    The amount of gender confusion/questioning in that thread was very cute. Perhaps bugging cis people about their identity more would be productive?

    • Erika3sis [she/her, xe/xem]
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      9 months ago

      HARDEN YOUR HEART O QIN HUANGDI

      INCREASE YOUR ATTACKS SO CRUEL

      SEND THEM ALL TO LIVE WITH ME

      IN AN ENBY SAPPHIC POLYCULE

      [CROWD GOES WILD]

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    • kristina [she/her]
      hexagon
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      9 months ago

      transfem coup underway. patriots are in charge bridget-pride-stay-mad

  • replaceable [he/him]
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    9 months ago

    Almost no cis women, which i suppose is to be expected considering where we came from

    • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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      9 months ago

      Cis women in general tend to be less vocal about it online if there are options to be anonymous. 100% of the cis women I've known have had at least 1 internet stalker.