CNN analysts immediately after the debate are saying the dems are pannicing.

lol, lmao, who could’ve seen this coming

  • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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    3 days ago

    They lied, browbeat, deflected, slandered, gaslit, and treated with the most sickening condescension everyone who warned them over and over that this would happen. If it weren't for the genocide, this would the purest and most concentrated schadenfreude I've ever felt, cocaine-like in it's tangibility. Now begins I Fucking Told You So Season.

    Fuck liberals, they tried to get us to "tactically" support ethnic cleansing to win a fucking election, and they're gonna lose that too! Good going you bloodless sensless freaks, you put on the armband and seig heil'd in front of the whole world for nothing!

  • duderium [he/him]
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    2 days ago

    It’s amazing to me that democrats can watch a genocide for nine months, and do nothing but make excuses, but one debate with grandpa has them freaking out. I didn’t even watch the debate. Anyone invested in that guy before the debate was just as cooked as he is. I just caught a few clips and spent a few minutes laughing through hexbear’s reactions, as is proper.

    • ikilledtheradiostar [comrade/them, love/loves]
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      2 days ago

      It was so bad. I haven't been paying close attention but biden is being elder abused. He looked scared for a lot of the debate. He def deserves it but idk I can't stomach seeing someone hurt.

      • Crikeste@lemm.ee
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        1 day ago

        I found myself feeling the same. I fucking hate Biden but I could barely stomach all the bullshit that came out yesterday. The man is old as fuck, he deserves to be chillin’ enjoying his last days. Not being propped up by a machine to continue their bidding under the guise of ‘the better option’.

      • Tunnelvision [they/them]
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        2 days ago

        Elder abuse can go both ways when you have dementia. Everyone says he routinely yells at people and is looking for yes men to fill the vacancies. Biden’s been an asshole his entire life, the mental decline just removes the filter.

        • JamesConeZone [they/them]
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          2 days ago

          The anger part of dementia has no bearing on one's previous temperament. I've seen the nicest people in the world become unruly assholes from the disease. There's a substantial difference in propping up a dementia patient and blaming a dementia patient for the side effects of their disease

          • SoyViking [he/him]
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            2 days ago

            You are right. Biden should live in an assisted living facility where qualified elder care workers can give him the care he needs. In an ideal world, such a living situation would also be available to him from the day he is extradited to Palestine and until the sentence of the war crimes tribunal is carried out.

            • JamesConeZone [they/them]
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              2 days ago

              Absolutely, though he will need to stand trial in Iraq, Libya, Columbia, Honduras, Peru among others first. Inshallah he'll die staring at victims of his own brutality

      • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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        2 days ago

        It feels like yesterday that I was watching him run circles around Sarah Palin in their debate. Mortality is scary.

    • Yor [she/her]
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      2 days ago

      libs are still terrible people and would only ever support Palestinians if it benefited them

  • Aradina [She/They]@lemmy.ml
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    3 days ago

    I'm watching A(ustralian)BC coverage of it and there's a vibe of "he's actually going to lose to Trump." He's failed to pass the bar of "looking functional" and has actually managed to look bad vs a guy who literally just made shit up and started rambling about golf.

    Incredible reality TV.

    • BoxedFenders [any, comrade/them]
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      3 days ago

      They're only 3 years apart but it looks more like 20 on stage. Biden is the perfect foil to make a senile Trump look full of youthful vitality. Literally could not have chosen a worse opponent from the entire gallery of DNC ghouls to face him. Wait, I take that back. Hillary would still be worse.

    • RangeFourHarry [they/them]
      hexagon
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      3 days ago

      I’m taking comfort in the fact that they both hated it. Biden’s brain melted and Trump just wants to be home doing literally anything else

      • anarchoilluminati [comrade/them]
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        3 days ago

        They should've let it be open mics. Trump interrupting and shitting on Biden would've been amazing to see live with Biden's capacities.

        • blobjim [he/him]
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          3 days ago

          they did it with the golf section and it rocked.

          • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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            3 days ago

            Two incredibly old men sassing each other about their golf game while, what, half a million? more? people are sleeping outside tonight.

  • abc [he/him, comrade/them]
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    3 days ago

    Yeah I genuinely think it is Joever for him after tonight, I've never watched a debate where all the immediate post-debate coverage chyrons are like "Should Incumbent drop out??" LMAO

    • tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      2 days ago

      I watched most of it, I was honestly worried I was about to see a stroke live. Obviously Trump is a shitbag but I agreed with him in several instances versus what Joe said. Of the few coherent-ish responses Biden literally said our only "sacred duty" is to arm our troops and give them a good retirement. This is what I'm supposed to vote for??

      • silent_water [she/her]
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        5 hours ago

        when he walked on stage, his left eyelid and eyebrow were drooping and my immediate reaction was "he's having a stroke live?" never really got away from that impression. wonder which ghoul decided possible brain damage was less important than the debate because lmao.

  • ThisMachinePostsHog [they/them, he/him]
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    2 days ago

    Can anyone find the clip where Biden is incoherently rambling, stumbling over his words, forgets what he's saying, and after the moderator cuts him off with, "Thank you President Biden," he goes, "And by the way!......" and just stares into space for several seconds? That was one of the funniest (and saddest) things I've ever seen during a debate.

  • ThisMachinePostsHog [they/them, he/him]
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    3 days ago

    The political history nerd in me is honestly finding this really fascinating to be witnessing right now. Seeing liberal pundits saying that Biden needs to step down before the convention, reading all of the articles about it, etc. This might be one of those things that gets talked about in Presidential history 50 years from now, how abysmal Joe Biden was as a president and how his own party could no longer deny how unfit he was to remain as president (4 months before the election lmao).

    • Leon_Grotsky [comrade/them]
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      3 days ago

      Probably in the same paragraph as the JFK/Nixon debate as the examples of positive and negative influence of televised debates in American politics.

        • Leon_Grotsky [comrade/them]
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          3 days ago

          I understand the sentiment, but shouldn't posterity learn about the evil and hubris of the American Empire/US Presidents?

          • RaisedFistJoker [she/her]
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            3 days ago

            the textbook is already overflowing with warcrimes lol, maybe they get one of the little notes below a picture on the side of the page

            • autismdragon [he/him, comrade/them]
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              3 days ago

              i-think-that History is a necessary part of education and forgetting any part of our past no matter how dark would have a negative impact.

              Like they probably don't need to learn the individual presidents but Leon_Grotsky is right like learning how evil what came before was would be a good thing.

        • Barx [none/use name]
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          3 days ago

          I hope that in 50 years they are learning about presidents of the former United States.

            • Barx [none/use name]
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              3 days ago

              I agree! But the children should still be taught about the functionaries of the Great Satan.

              This is one of the contributing factors of the USSR, after all. They fell for liberal propaganda about how things work, obscuring the realities of how they actually work under capitalism. All those Soviet academics lauding Peristroika and expecting Russia to join as an equal partner in the liberal order found a very different situation in reality.

              If we do not displace this propaganda we will fall victim to it. Teach the children about the realities of liberalism. Teach them about the full violence of the wars and the genocides and the disposession and how every president helped out as best they could, manufacturing consent and creating policy on behalf of the ruling class.

              The way the system works can be hard to internalize. It is not great man theory but it is also not just structural forces. Structural forces, the ruling class, effect their interests through people who think it is themselves who are in charge, at least most of the time. It is only when they step out of line that they learn how the system really works, and even then they cling to some self-aggrandizing falsehoods. Every ghoul in bourgeois political office can choose to buck this order and either does not (maintaining their position) or does so (losing their position).

              Basically... base and superstructure is something that I think is underemphasized when it comes to the political class. Presidents go in superstructure, of course.

            • autismdragon [he/him, comrade/them]
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              3 days ago

              Do you think "not teaching great man theory" means you stop mentioning individual people in history lmao. Like does not teaching kids great man theory mean we don't teach them who Lenin is either?

              Like obviously socialist history education would focus on historical materialism but that doesn't mean that you start hiding the names of the evil men who did the things that came before. They should learn the names, and learn to spit on them.

  • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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    3 days ago

    me putting on the conspiracy theory hat and wildly gesturing like a crank

    What if the DNC purposely never wanted Biden but waited until after it was too late for primaries so they can handpick the actual candidate they want at the DNC convention and purposely pushed him to have a debate with Trump knowing that Biden would eat shit?

  • let_me_tank_her [he/him]
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    3 days ago

    There's video of Jill Biden talking to him like a dog saying like "Who did good and answered all those questions tonight?"

    It's so bad, folks. I hate the man, but this is so depressing. It's straight up elder abuse.

    • TomBombadil [he/him, she/her]
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      3 days ago

      Really weird feeling because if he was almost any other human on the planet I'd feel so bad for him. Like my heart would break. It must be a terrifying disorienting tragic experience.

      He deserves worse though

      • corgiwithalaptop [any, love/loves]M
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        3 days ago

        I just saw a clip of Biden that someone posted in another thread, and it honestly REALLY hit me. Listening to him flounder and trail off mid sentence reminded me of my dad, who is just a few years younger than Biden.

        Except like my dad just wants to chill and read books all day, not enfornce neoliberal hegemony worldwide.

      • GeorgeZBush [he/him]
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        2 days ago

        I feel sad in that in another world he could have just been some senile grandpa being cared for by his children. Instead he chose a path that led to this.

    • newmou [he/him]
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      2 days ago

      He’s been a lifelong cog in the imperialist machine, I say abuse the man

  • btbt [he/him]
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    3 days ago

    I’m honestly shocked they’re admitting how bad he was, I was expecting them to do some shit like say that he’s normally cognizant and just forgot to have a balanced breakfast this morning

  • micnd90 [he/him,any]
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    3 days ago

    Now I subjected myself to some reaction from "professional" analyst, I kinda think that this was a hitjob and a coup.

    Usually, the first "hot" take by analyst on the network hosting the debate is the most important. John King of CNN, right after the debate ends immediately goes on "panic among Democratic party." Then everyone on the panel, Van Jones, David Axelrod, Alyssa Griffin, all took turn burying the shiv, with nothing positive to say. These people are not that brave, and they have been gaslighting people for 6 years (ever since Biden started running in '18 he's been mentally compromised). Same with MSNBC, Rachel Maddow asked Alex Wagner and she immediately also said that the reaction was negative. Joy Ann Reid piled on and said Joe Biden don't have the stamina. The replacement headline then immediately made it to NYT front page, opinion piece, and now repeated by all major outlets. These people didn't went through the denial, anger, bargaining stage, they all within 1 1/2 hr debate go to acceptance in unison.

    • Voidance [none/use name]
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      2 days ago

      Nah they’re just hacks, they’re like a herd of deer, one gets spooked and starts running the rest will follow. Unfortunately for Biden that means his campaign is gonna be in cascade failure mode now

      • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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        2 days ago

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdOfiPyY87I

        Watch this 1 minute clip

        Or, here's the youtube transcript. All the media ones clean up his verbal collapse and make it look coherent when it was not.

        We'd be able to help make sure that all of things we need to do, childcare, elder care, making sure that we continue to strengthen our health care system, making sure that we're able to make every single solitary person uh eligible for what I've been able to do with the uh with, with, with the COVID, excuse me, with, um dealing with everything we have to do with uh what if we finally beat Medicare?

        • Sickos [they/them, it/its]
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          2 days ago

          Wow, Trump actually looked genuinely concerned for a second there when Biden had his petit mal.

          Then stomped him. Trump may be a rambling incoherent shit sack, but he's still quick with the insults. Mean old men only get meaner I guess.

          • Sickos [they/them, it/its]
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            2 days ago

            And I seriously think Biden has some form of number aphasia going on. He repeatedly says a number confidently, hears that he said the wrong number, then he says (presumably) the right one.

        • Sickos [they/them, it/its]
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          2 days ago

          I literally would not have understood half of what Biden said if it weren't for the god-tier closed captioner

  • dead [he/him]
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    3 days ago

    Kamala was live on CNN about 30 minutes ago with Anderson Cooper. She was trying to save face and Anderson Cooper interrupted her. Anderson told Kamala that Biden's performance at the debate was a disaster and a train wreck.

    I'm honestly surprised to see that CNN is negatively covering Biden.

  • Snackuleata [any]
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    2 days ago

    I wonder how the Europeans are doing? They sacrificed their economy for this guy and the other guy was talking about dismantling NATO during his presidency. I'm sure they're all feeling wonderful in their decisions.

    • SoyViking [he/him]
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      2 days ago

      Europeans feel superior to the American people who they consider to be uncultured swine with nothing but guns and cheeseburgers on their mind. Europeans also feel houndishly loyal to the American state, as they give it sole credit for saving them from the horrors of Nazism and communism. Received wisdom in Europe is that America is the benevolent big brother who keeps us safe from the "jungle" with their bloated military and that any break with America would be the recipe for disaster and Russian/Chinese invasion of ever inch of land from Portugal to Svalbard.

      Trump represented a big ideological problem for Europeans as he was the leader of the American while also being placed solidly in the "average American idiot" category by his theatrics. Other presidents acted the part, not confusing the Europeans. Even the visibly demented Biden has been able to project sufficient "professional elite" vibes for Europeans to accept him. Maybe this will change now the powers that be has decided that Biden's dementia is an acceptable topic of conversation.

      • Justice@lemmygrad.ml
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        2 days ago

        American people who they consider to be uncultured swine with nothing but guns and cheeseburgers on their mind.

        Lubin' up the ol' AR-15 "kiddie-mower" rifle with leftover burger and bacon grease. Yeehaw motherfucker! 'Merica! 🦅 🇺🇸 🎆

    • CarmineCatboy2 [he/him]
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      2 days ago

      They own shares in american companies and LNG importers. They dining tonight regardless.

      Oh you mean the taxed populations. Lol. Lmao.

    • Egon [they/them]
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      2 days ago

      "we need to be more like the USA" seems to be the general takeaway by Danish politicians. We've just had inheritance taxes lowered to 10%

      • TheWurstman [he/him]
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        2 days ago

        Didn’t even have the balls to let their national energy company be called DONG anymore

        And every second danish person I met was islamophobic af

    • newmou [he/him]
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      2 days ago

      Honestly something tells me they couldn’t care less lol

      • FortifiedAttack [he/him]
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        2 days ago

        The libs are shitting themselves over Trump here too, don't worry.

        We're all living in America

      • space_comrade [he/him]
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        2 days ago

        The neoliberal lapdog establishment doesn't care, they'll run the entire thing to the ground before turning tail on their owners.