CNN analysts immediately after the debate are saying the dems are pannicing.

lol, lmao, who could’ve seen this coming

  • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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    5 months ago

    They lied, browbeat, deflected, slandered, gaslit, and treated with the most sickening condescension everyone who warned them over and over that this would happen. If it weren't for the genocide, this would the purest and most concentrated schadenfreude I've ever felt, cocaine-like in it's tangibility. Now begins I Fucking Told You So Season.

    Fuck liberals, they tried to get us to "tactically" support ethnic cleansing to win a fucking election, and they're gonna lose that too! Good going you bloodless sensless freaks, you put on the armband and seig heil'd in front of the whole world for nothing!

  • Aradina [She/They]@lemmy.ml
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    5 months ago

    I'm watching A(ustralian)BC coverage of it and there's a vibe of "he's actually going to lose to Trump." He's failed to pass the bar of "looking functional" and has actually managed to look bad vs a guy who literally just made shit up and started rambling about golf.

    Incredible reality TV.

    • BoxedFenders [any, comrade/them]
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      5 months ago

      They're only 3 years apart but it looks more like 20 on stage. Biden is the perfect foil to make a senile Trump look full of youthful vitality. Literally could not have chosen a worse opponent from the entire gallery of DNC ghouls to face him. Wait, I take that back. Hillary would still be worse.

    • RangeFourHarry [they/them]
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      5 months ago

      I’m taking comfort in the fact that they both hated it. Biden’s brain melted and Trump just wants to be home doing literally anything else

      • anarchoilluminati [comrade/them]
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        5 months ago

        They should've let it be open mics. Trump interrupting and shitting on Biden would've been amazing to see live with Biden's capacities.

        • blobjim [he/him]
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          5 months ago

          they did it with the golf section and it rocked.

          • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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            5 months ago

            Two incredibly old men sassing each other about their golf game while, what, half a million? more? people are sleeping outside tonight.

  • abc [he/him, comrade/them]
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    5 months ago

    Yeah I genuinely think it is Joever for him after tonight, I've never watched a debate where all the immediate post-debate coverage chyrons are like "Should Incumbent drop out??" LMAO

    • tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      5 months ago

      I watched most of it, I was honestly worried I was about to see a stroke live. Obviously Trump is a shitbag but I agreed with him in several instances versus what Joe said. Of the few coherent-ish responses Biden literally said our only "sacred duty" is to arm our troops and give them a good retirement. This is what I'm supposed to vote for??

      • silent_water [she/her]
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        5 months ago

        when he walked on stage, his left eyelid and eyebrow were drooping and my immediate reaction was "he's having a stroke live?" never really got away from that impression. wonder which ghoul decided possible brain damage was less important than the debate because lmao.

  • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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    5 months ago

    me putting on the conspiracy theory hat and wildly gesturing like a crank

    What if the DNC purposely never wanted Biden but waited until after it was too late for primaries so they can handpick the actual candidate they want at the DNC convention and purposely pushed him to have a debate with Trump knowing that Biden would eat shit?

  • btbt [he/him]
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    5 months ago

    I’m honestly shocked they’re admitting how bad he was, I was expecting them to do some shit like say that he’s normally cognizant and just forgot to have a balanced breakfast this morning

  • ThisMachinePostsHog [they/them, he/him]
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    5 months ago

    The political history nerd in me is honestly finding this really fascinating to be witnessing right now. Seeing liberal pundits saying that Biden needs to step down before the convention, reading all of the articles about it, etc. This might be one of those things that gets talked about in Presidential history 50 years from now, how abysmal Joe Biden was as a president and how his own party could no longer deny how unfit he was to remain as president (4 months before the election lmao).

    • Leon_Grotsky [comrade/them]
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      5 months ago

      Probably in the same paragraph as the JFK/Nixon debate as the examples of positive and negative influence of televised debates in American politics.

        • Leon_Grotsky [comrade/them]
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          5 months ago

          I understand the sentiment, but shouldn't posterity learn about the evil and hubris of the American Empire/US Presidents?

          • RaisedFistJoker [she/her]
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            5 months ago

            the textbook is already overflowing with warcrimes lol, maybe they get one of the little notes below a picture on the side of the page

            • autismdragon [he/him, they/them]
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              5 months ago

              i-think-that History is a necessary part of education and forgetting any part of our past no matter how dark would have a negative impact.

              Like they probably don't need to learn the individual presidents but Leon_Grotsky is right like learning how evil what came before was would be a good thing.

        • Barx [none/use name]
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          5 months ago

          I hope that in 50 years they are learning about presidents of the former United States.

            • autismdragon [he/him, they/them]
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              5 months ago

              Do you think "not teaching great man theory" means you stop mentioning individual people in history lmao. Like does not teaching kids great man theory mean we don't teach them who Lenin is either?

              Like obviously socialist history education would focus on historical materialism but that doesn't mean that you start hiding the names of the evil men who did the things that came before. They should learn the names, and learn to spit on them.

            • Barx [none/use name]
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              5 months ago

              I agree! But the children should still be taught about the functionaries of the Great Satan.

              This is one of the contributing factors of the USSR, after all. They fell for liberal propaganda about how things work, obscuring the realities of how they actually work under capitalism. All those Soviet academics lauding Peristroika and expecting Russia to join as an equal partner in the liberal order found a very different situation in reality.

              If we do not displace this propaganda we will fall victim to it. Teach the children about the realities of liberalism. Teach them about the full violence of the wars and the genocides and the disposession and how every president helped out as best they could, manufacturing consent and creating policy on behalf of the ruling class.

              The way the system works can be hard to internalize. It is not great man theory but it is also not just structural forces. Structural forces, the ruling class, effect their interests through people who think it is themselves who are in charge, at least most of the time. It is only when they step out of line that they learn how the system really works, and even then they cling to some self-aggrandizing falsehoods. Every ghoul in bourgeois political office can choose to buck this order and either does not (maintaining their position) or does so (losing their position).

              Basically... base and superstructure is something that I think is underemphasized when it comes to the political class. Presidents go in superstructure, of course.

  • dead [he/him]
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    5 months ago

    Kamala was live on CNN about 30 minutes ago with Anderson Cooper. She was trying to save face and Anderson Cooper interrupted her. Anderson told Kamala that Biden's performance at the debate was a disaster and a train wreck.

    I'm honestly surprised to see that CNN is negatively covering Biden.

  • FishLake@lemmygrad.ml
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    5 months ago

    They need to bring in someone with a proven track record of standing up to Trump. Like someone who can get people to Pokémon go to the polls.

  • let_me_tank_her [he/him]
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    5 months ago

    There's video of Jill Biden talking to him like a dog saying like "Who did good and answered all those questions tonight?"

    It's so bad, folks. I hate the man, but this is so depressing. It's straight up elder abuse.

    • TomBombadil [he/him, she/her]
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      5 months ago

      Really weird feeling because if he was almost any other human on the planet I'd feel so bad for him. Like my heart would break. It must be a terrifying disorienting tragic experience.

      He deserves worse though

      • corgiwithalaptop [any, love/loves]M
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        5 months ago

        I just saw a clip of Biden that someone posted in another thread, and it honestly REALLY hit me. Listening to him flounder and trail off mid sentence reminded me of my dad, who is just a few years younger than Biden.

        Except like my dad just wants to chill and read books all day, not enfornce neoliberal hegemony worldwide.

      • GeorgeZBush [he/him]
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        5 months ago

        I feel sad in that in another world he could have just been some senile grandpa being cared for by his children. Instead he chose a path that led to this.

    • newmou [he/him]
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      5 months ago

      He’s been a lifelong cog in the imperialist machine, I say abuse the man

  • TechnoUnionTypeBeat [he/him, they/them]
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    5 months ago

    Watching some people I know have live meltdowns as they were confronted with the reality of this living corpse as their nominee has been fucking hilarious

    Watching them consider if RFK should take over was even funnier

      • TechnoUnionTypeBeat [he/him, they/them]
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        5 months ago

        At least two admitting to crying watching Biden's performance. So many talking about needing to get drunk or high to the cope with the outcome of the debate

        Most of them are starting to realize that Biden is old and not firing on all cylinders, and that the Democrats are in deep, deep trouble with the election if their candidate can barely sound coherent during the debates. One person quietly said that Biden was making Trump look sane by comparison

        Then the debates as to who could even replace him began. AOC? Too young. Bernie? Too radical. Clinton no because the GOP hate her. Harris? Maybe that's why she's been out of the spotlight, so she can take over without any scandals. Newsom wasn't even floated but RFK was

  • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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    5 months ago

    I was pessimistic about the debate, but it was a fair deal funnier than I expected. I think Biden said something about cutting a black child in half.

  • sovietknuckles [they/them]
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    5 months ago

    They were never planning on running Biden in November. If they did joebiden.com would have said what his platform is, and it does not, even now. Gavin Newsom's nomination is imminent, right?

    Edit: They actually added the Issues tab today, there is an archive of the site from today without it. shrug-outta-hecks Maybe they can reuse it

    • Storm [she/her]
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      5 months ago

      Four years. Four years to pretend to have a clear platform. I'm tired of people blaming leftists when the president couldn't do a basic homework assignment until he fucked up a debate.