something something specter something Lemmyverse hexbear-specter

  • Cowbee [he/him]
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    11 days ago

    It's that person that thought Putin wants to reinstate the USSR and refused to denounce Israel without equating Palestinian "guilt." he-laughed

    They wandered into a dunk tank post, debate perverted, and whined on Lemmy.world

  • bumpusoot [any]
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    12 days ago

    they’re less like the meeting room of a communist party than like the bar where those communists hang out and drink beer, after the meeting is over.

    I actually really like this description. I'm amazed at the number of people in this thread who actually somewhat get it. It's heartening <3

    • Moss [they/them]
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      11 days ago

      Thats a really cute description of hexbear. Feels nice

    • Cowbee [he/him]
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      11 days ago

      That's exactly why I love it here. I can just be myself, no need to walk on eggshells or fear being misunderstood, and I don't always have to resort to debatebroing. I dunno if many people here recognized me from my older Lemmy.ml account, but debatebroing was all I did, and it got tiring. I still do it, but far less frequently and I enjoy my time here a lot more!

      Basically, it's a super cozy space here and I love y'all for welcoming me here heart-sickle

      Also would love for that to be a tagline

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        12 days ago

        That sincerely gives me hope, even some hope for liberals. SOME. bloomer

      • RomCom1989 [he/him, any]
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        12 days ago

        Sorry to be the bearer of bad news,but I think that's an alt of a hexbear or lemmygradian

        I've seen them before

    • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
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      12 days ago

      EABOD again? This dude just recently got absolutely chewed as bad faith debate pervert on the very same issue so they went to their safe space to unwind and still got chewed? Lol, lmao even.

      • vovchik_ilich [he/him]
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        12 days ago

        I'm the proud commenter who spent 1h of my life reading through the bullshit links he was sending me, writing down a summary of the "information" contained in the links, and then replying to him. It was exhausting and pointless because ultimately they weren't acting in good faith, but hey, at least some of you remember

        • AndJusticeForAll [none/use name]
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          12 days ago

          I've been in the same situation where some plebbitor spams you with links that are all the same article slightly rephrased pointing to the same Adrian Zenz source(s) and they go silent after you point that out, only to start it back up later. They're so emotionally welded to hating China. Fuckin' losers.

          • vovchik_ilich [he/him]
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            12 days ago

            That's why my approach the other day wasn't even about what the source was, whether Adrian Zenz or not, the reality is that there's not the slightest shred of anything post-2021 that can possibly make people think there's an ongoing genocide against Uyghur people, not even from Zenz-adjacent sources. They can just choose to believe the faulty source and they very often do, but when there's no source what do you do? There's literally nowhere to hide when you point to them that there's absolutely nothing for years at this point.

            Don't get me wrong, the Zenz angle is very important, because I can't guarantee that Radio Free Asia won't come up with any new lies in the following few years, and it's important that we show people that the CIA isn't a reliable source of information when it comes to Chinese policy.

            • Belly_Beanis [he/him]
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              11 days ago

              Israel literally disabled Palestine's internet and yet we still have photos/videos coming out of Gaza showing Israel's crimes. I said this earlier, but either China has the most sophisticated surveillance and censorship apparatus ever conceived of by humankind, or there's nothing matching the claims about ethnic cleansing. I suspect a country the size of Europe with a population of over a billion people would have someone come forward with evidence of genocide by now.

        • mathemachristian [he/him]
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          12 days ago

          I'm really glad that you did because I can link your arguments in that guys thread as examples of how there absolutely were good faith explanations and give them a wider audience.

          Observing these kinds of discussions is what moved me towards hexbear.

        • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
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          12 days ago

          Yeah that was a fun thread, or would be if not that shameless asshole who very visibly avoided every single effortpost but constantly posted shit to stoke the flames.

    • CloutAtlas [he/him]
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      12 days ago

      I tried explaining who Zenz is to that user here when one of the websites he used had 5 sources from other different websites who ALL go back to Zenz.

  • Doubledee [comrade/them]
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    12 days ago

    Folks is our reputation improving? I'm seeing pretty even splits in terms of people defending our instance vs. scratched libs. Some even saying we changed their minds on things.

    • Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]
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      12 days ago

      Crumbling material conditions and the Palestinian genocide.

      The US backing of Israel as well as the genocide getting more traction in the public mind has lifted the veil for a lot of "libs who only called themselves libs because they believed it was the left leaning side".

      You can tell the US is SUPER pissed that the truth about Palestine got traction. (The whole reason they want to ban TikTok is because they believe that was the weak link in their control of the narrative)

      • Doubledee [comrade/them]
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        12 days ago

        Yeah I think global platforms showing the genocide have been a massive problem for libs. It's hard to feel morally superior to someone while you're defending the people mutilating children on a post showing the mutilated kids. It starts to puncture the illusion of being the reasonable good guy when you're telling people to ignore the bodies.

      • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
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        12 days ago

        You can tell the US is SUPER pissed that the truth about Palestine got traction.

        And their vassals too, like Germany is arresting Jews for antisemitism because they criticized Israel and France just did a public intimidation spectacle arrest of a nurse who was back from Gaza and telling people what really happens there.

        • MolotovHalfEmpty [he/him]
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          12 days ago

          The UK is cracking down hard on pro-Palestine journalists here by misusing anti-terror laws too.

          • heggs_bayer [none/use name]
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            11 days ago

            Considering the UK is a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie with a big stake in the Zionist Entity's continued existence, I think those laws are being used as intended.

      • MolotovHalfEmpty [he/him]
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        12 days ago

        You can tell the US is SUPER pissed that the truth about Palestine got traction. (The whole reason they want to ban TikTok is because they believe that was the weak link in their control of the narrative)

        European libs with Telegram now too.

    • trashxeos@lemmygrad.ml
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      12 days ago

      I definitely saw a few who specifically said that if you engage in good faith that Hexbear isn't bad.

        • corgiwithalaptop [any, love/loves]M
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          12 days ago

          We are really nice actually

          Unironically, y'all are my friends, like real friends. Not anyone specific, just the person reading this. I hope I've been as nice to you all as you've been to me over the years (shit I've been here a few years now).

        • MolotovHalfEmpty [he/him]
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          12 days ago

          Even then I usually operate a one or two-strike policy when a first strike policy would be perfectly acceptable.

          Let them learn something or reveal themselves to be bad faith dipshits.

      • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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        11 days ago

        I'd say that's true. There's a lot of well read people here who are absolutely willing to be patient with someone who was combative from the start or the second it's apparent they didn't read the room and thought whatever arrogant platitudes they posted were gonna go over just fine and then didn't. They come to our house and act out of line, they're gonna get ripped to shreds because it's our space.

    • AOCapitulator [they/them, she/her]
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      12 days ago

      its hard to make us into a north korea situation when people can just come and see, the more we live rent free in their heads, the more they talk about us, the more people get curious and come look and its like, just anticapitalist memes and people posting cat pics

    • Aquilae [he/him, they/them]
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      12 days ago

      I only joined 9 months ago but in the 4 or so months I was on lemm.ee y'all changed some of my perspectives on the DPRK

      Propaganda works both ways. Keep up the posting comrades kim-salute

      • combat_brandonism [they/them]
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        11 days ago

        I posted on the old sub for years and I didn't come around on the dprk until I'd been here a couple years tbh.

  • Rom [he/him]
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    12 days ago

    https://lemmy.ml/post/19998211/13499382 leo-point

    I'm flattered that they're still malding over a comment I made more than a year ago. Dot world libs only wish they had that kind of posting power.

  • Sulvor [he/him, undecided]
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    12 days ago

    I’ve never heard of communism being an economic framework before, I thought it just meant a system without capitalism or a state. Do you have something short I could read about communism being an economic framework?

    Ya'll need Marx

  • ButtBidet [he/him]
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    12 days ago

    Half of the comments are people defending us, with language that's more persuasive than I could do myself. I'm honestly touched.

    • Doubledee [comrade/them]
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      12 days ago

      Yeah it seems like maybe real experience with us is changing opinion more broadly. I was expecting a dogpile.

      • spectre [he/him]
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        12 days ago

        We need to bring back the "fucking pooooost" culture of 2017-19. It's been dead a while but the time is now.

        We already see it with that Lemmy tracker someone posted last week that showed us at the top of "activity" beating out instances with a ton more "users". Just like the Reddit days.

  • kristina [she/her]
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    12 days ago

    the people blocking blahaj 196 for being too left wing lmfao

  • HarryLime [any]
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    12 days ago

    Hexbear is sort of like a village of eldritch abomination worshippers in a Lovecraftian horror story - isolated, insular, entirely wrapped up in their own esoteric rituals and ideas and language, and immediately and collectively hostile to outsiders.

    The Shadow Over Hexxsmouth

    • EmoThugInMyPhase [he/him]
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      12 days ago

      It’s so funny when anyone complains about “echo chambers” when talking about internet communities dedicated to specific themes/topics. If I wanted a dipshit neoliberal yapping I would go back to reddit.

      • fox [comrade/them]
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        12 days ago

        If this were an echo chamber there'd be just one school of thought instead of like fifty. I think there's hoxhaists in here

        • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]
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          12 days ago

          Some of us have schools of thought so esoteric and irony pilled that we aren't even sure where the bit ends and our real beliefs begin

          • Belly_Beanis [he/him]
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            11 days ago

            me being so contrarian and steeped in irony I end up reading theory for joke material making me indistinguishable from a Marxist shitposter on a Russian bean recipe website

            Why you gotta call people out like this? Why can't you just let us have our fun?

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      12 days ago

      What a self-tell: "oh no they're acting too not normal in a way that seems exotic and frightening, and they stick up for themselves and don't permit easy colonization and assimilation into subordinate status into my culture. They must be EVIL, like in the old racist white man's treats!"

      lmayo us-foreign-policy

    • AndJusticeForAll [none/use name]
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      12 days ago

      Fitting that they view people with a different opinion the same way reactionary-era Lovecraft viewed tribal people.

      • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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        11 days ago

        Or just like, Finnish people or something. Dude had an advanced degree in racism

      • corgiwithalaptop [any, love/loves]M
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        12 days ago

        I think Dunwich is more cottagecore but also havent gotten around to reading Innsmouth yet, just know the basic plot beats

      • Belly_Beanis [he/him]
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        11 days ago

        qt 3.14 deep one gf

        If I remember right, the deep ones were all male who mated with human women. Those women are just like....Connecticut fishing town girls.

      • Collatz_problem [comrade/them]
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        12 days ago

        My favourite bit about Lovecraft was that he voted for Socialist Party, because he absolutely hated the poor and they promised to eliminate poverty.

        • Belly_Beanis [he/him]
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          11 days ago

          My favorite is him finding out one of his relatives (his grandmother I think?) was Welsh and completely losing his shit over it, writing numerous letters to his relatives complaining about how they kept this betrayal a secret from him.

          If the internet had existed in 1921, Howard would be in the YouTube comment sections on videos with 50 views writing 12 paragraph rage essays over "wokeness" among today's cat owners.

      • Belly_Beanis [he/him]
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        11 days ago

        I have never heard someone use such wonderful language to call my mom a race traitor and me an abomination. Also he couldn't function without an adult woman supervising him.

    • SpiderFarmer [he/him]
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      12 days ago

      Synthesis. The student protestors are being funded by Dagon. Actually no, that seems like something somebody would say with no sense of humor about it.

      • HarryLime [any]
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        12 days ago

        That sounds like something Jordan Peterson would say tbh

    • Thallo [love/loves]
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      12 days ago

      We don't even isolate ourselves. Other instances preemptively defederate with us

  • gay_king_prince_charles [she/her, he/him]
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    12 days ago

    Hexbear is sort of like a village of eldritch abomination worshippers in a Lovecraftian horror story - isolated, insular, entirely wrapped up in their own esoteric rituals and ideas and language, and immediately and collectively hostile to outsiders.

    New tagline just dropped

      • RedWizard [he/him, comrade/them]
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        11 days ago

        I see this posted from time to time and today I finally read through the whole thing. Very compelling and evocative. You see the manifestations of this form in those southern megachurches. Joel Osteen is like a simulacrum of this inversion of religion under the social relations of capital. He has synthesized Christian Faith and Capital Accumulation, creating in effect a Christianity skin suit for this "Real God", in which to parade it out into the open.

        You must sacrifice a portion of your wages to the church in the form of a seed in the hopes that it will one day bloom into a bountiful harvest. It is a similar myth to the one expressed by the preachers of Capital. Sacrifice your time, your money, in service of a future return on your investment. In both, a lack of success is only the manifestation of a lack of sacrifice and commitment to this social order on your part, and in no way a failing of the "gods" for which you are toiling for.

        Like a house of mirrors, our social institutions are reflected against the mirror of capitalism, warping their intended form against the shape of capitals demands. The longer you stare into this twisted reflection, the more likely you are to be convinced it to be the true form, until you can no longer recall what the original form was, or that it even existed at all.

  • abc [he/him, comrade/them]
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    12 days ago

    If you’re saying I’m calling their viewpoints crazy, I’m not. I didn’t get a view point besides I’m pig slop, a piece of shit, brainwashed by the empire (whatever the hell that means), stupid, a basement dweller, and today, I think they called me a pervert

    michael-laugh TAGLINE

    This is my exact same experience. I ask for someone to elaborate on their stance, get told (not accused, told) I’m trolling. Ask for explanation/definition of a concept, get called an idiot shitlib and told to read some theory. Ask for civility, get told I deserve abuse for “endorsing genocide”. (By the way, I absolutely oppose the genocide in Gaza. But I’m a genocide supporter I guess because I won’t flush my vote third party this November.)

    tfw Hexbear wants you to vote third party???? Who is advocating for this???

    • mushroom [he/him]
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      12 days ago

      I absolutely oppose the genocide in Gaza. But I guess I'm a genocide supporter just because I will be voting for the Genocide Party in November?

    • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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      12 days ago

      A lot of us do say vote PSL or something, but that's secondary to not voting red/blue

    • Rom [he/him]
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      12 days ago

      They always make these wild claims about us calling them all kinds of mean things yet never provide any links of us doing those things.

    • radio_free_asgarthr [he/him, comrade/them]
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      12 days ago

      They keep saying mean things about me, like "You smell" and "did you shit your pants" and "I can see the shit stains from here". They are mean and acting in bad faith by even suggesting I shit my pants!

    • bdonvr@thelemmy.club
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      11 days ago

      I'll vote PSL not cause I think electoralism is the answer more just to pump them numbers up so people see leftists like, exist in the US

    • goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org
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      11 days ago

      Dude wanted people to debate me bro as an experiment and didn't understand why no one would do that.

      Wonder when they'll have their next account pop up here

  • Staines [he/him, they/them]
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    12 days ago

    There's never been one of these "Hexbear is mentally ill because they disagree with me" threads that hasn't been result of someone coming here and getting banned after posting in bad faith. -- Surprisingly, it seems that the rest of the fediverse is increasingly aware of that.

  • SnAgCu [he/him, any]
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    12 days ago

    It's just reddit again over there, oh man. classic

    deeper-sadness mfw I realize I am a member of an insane Lovecraftian cult community that worships eldritch abominations