Damn, voting for Biden didn't work. Can't believe electoral institutions weren't on my side. I've exhausted all posibilities so I'll just do nothing
Damn maybe you should make another stupid condescending video about how we all need to vote.
yeah she's personally responsible as is every single one of us.
honestly i just don't get why people keep blaming democrats, we failed them by not making enough posts and youtube videos. anarcho-bidenism, who is with me??!!
I mean... this is better than Trump doing a Reagan '84. Would have been nice if the billions of dollars pissed away this election cycle had been spent somewhere fucking useful. But I'm not sad Trump is losing the Midwest this time around. And who knows? Maybe this shit will radicalize her?
Would be nice if Natalie came out of this waving a copy of What Is To Be Done rather than just burning out and retreating into Harry Potter.
At this point she can shut the fuck up. The criticisms she makes in subsequent tweets are exactly the criticisms people on the left had before she said to just vote and we'll fix it later. Truly infuriating shit.
all of breadtube should have to do a penance supervised by shaun.
Except Vaush, he can just fuck off forever.
Wasnt shaun also pretty bad? Peter Coffin should be running the youtube gulag if anything.
A Peter Coffin gulag is just watching one of his videos and trying to un-spaghetti his horrible, aside-filled writing
no a peter coffin gulag is having to intentionally kick yourself in the nuts on national television on some steve harvey tv show forever
The criticisms she makes in subsequent tweets are exactly the criticisms people on the left had before she said to just vote and we’ll fix it later.
Sometimes you just have to learn the hard way. I'm not sad that she's finally singing our tune, even if it is a day late.
How can she be this fucking dense?
I think she's already answered this question. How many times has she joked about her own privilege showing in her videos? Of course, if you're lib, you think she's just being woke-when in reality, she's literally just flaunting her privilege and then laughing about it like it's not a big deal. That's brain worms right there buddy.
No, that's not what I'm saying. I have never seen her say anything that contradicts "Even if Biden wins and Trump is removed (kicking & screaming if not literally at gunpoint), it’s a shamefully narrow victory that showcases the continued power of the Trump base, the utter ineffectiveness of the Democrats, and the many glaring flaws of our whole electoral system" so why would it be necessary for her to change her views.
"You should vote for Biden" is not the same thing as "Biden will save us all"
Sadly for a lot of (internet) leftists, the bulk of their political activity can be summed up as "vocal declarations of support or condemnation for particular people/causes/organizations, without any meaningful contribution to it succeeding/failing". Voting in America is kinda the ultimate spectacle of "loudly declaring support/condemnation for something without any meaningful contribution to its outcome", So "I spent the 5 minutes it took voting for Biden because at least he won't OPENLY proselytize white supremacist followers to commit random acts of terror against minorities" gets turned into "Joe Biden is an important aspect of my political identity".
TBH, I think this is actually the best outcome. Trump is out of the whitehouse, which is good for obvious reasons. The dems, however, by all measures definitely still "blew the election" though, and all everyone is talking about is "What the fuck, that was waaay to close, we might've won by just dumb luck", and most importantly "What the fuck happened, what did we do wrong". This video has been going viral in the aftermath https://www.thewrap.com/watch-bernie-sanders-accurately-predict-what-just-happened-on-election-night-9-days-ago-video/ . "Bernie Told Ya So" is going to be buzzing around mainstream perspectives now, and that can let us dominate the conversation.
I could give a shit if people misjudge the relative threats presented by Biden and Trump and the merits of voting third party. The entire problem with the “vote blue” shitlibs is that they don't believe in any action outside voting, a perspective Natalie hasn't endorsed even though every fucking person on this site just pretends she did for some reason.
And I don't get why the tweet you literally cited isn't evidence of her true beliefs but "idk I kinda feel like she would think this" is
If I'm going to be asked to hate someone, I'm sticking to what they did say, not what they didn't.
Maybe if you think she's the thought leader of the entire left, then she's being irresponsible. Otherwise, this is incredibly tiresome shit that no one should ever care about.
Was she always this much of a lib or did I just misread her when I was binging her videos a couple years back? Or did something happen in the interim?
She was basically a gateway drug for people to go to the left, but looking back she's always been a lib. I loved her "Problems with Capitalism" video the first time I saw it, but watching it now it's completely surface level and offers no solution to those problems, marxist or otherwise.
I also enjoyed those videos. Though I am pretty annoyed that the leftist viewpoint in the Part 2 video amounted to "smash things because it's fun" and "use buzzwords randomly".
My disconnect with Contra has basically been realizing that her caricature of an antifa activist is right about everything.
Her entire schtick was trying to explain things to Chuds. Of course she was a fucking lib.
"Oh, they're just misunderstood. I bet I can win them over with logic and reason."
Valiant attempt and she made some incredible art, but yeah. It was always Lib-tier shit.
she also genuinely did lift quite a few chuds out of the pipeline
I dont think that explaining things to chuds is lib at all. I am sure at least half of us used to be chuds.
not defending contra
Isn't the lib position "it's not my job to educate you!" and to hyperventilate about legitimizing oppression by engaging with chuds? Actually meeting people where they are and engaging in a dialect to try and change minds is something the left should be doing.
Isn’t the lib position “it’s not my job to educate you!”
Depends on the audience. A lot of this is reactionary and counter-reactionary shit where - say - a conservative insists climate change isn't real until he's been presented with a full calculus proof on thermal patterns spanning six centuries.
Actually meeting people where they are and engaging in a dialect to try and change minds is something the left should be doing.
That tends to depend on the message. Lots of ideological evangelicals try to change other people's minds. I'm not sure I'd call Ross Perot and Milton Friedman leftists.
Surely it should be "Limbofacation", rolls off the tongue much more nicely
yeah yeah yeah, i hesitated because limbo is a word already, but you're right it sounds better
Go and watch her video on luxury. She's always been a lib. You just missed it because you assumed someone has to be stupid to be a lib or a radical leftist to make fun of fascists. She hasn't undergone some kind of profound shift in worldview because she got filthy stinkin' rich off that Breadtube money, she's just never had much faith in the possibility of revolution in the first world.
She transitioned and then got more explicit in her reactionary views.
I think that's more to do with her making money cuz a bunch of dudes simp for her now than anything related to her being trans lol.
It's not about her being trans. It's about her getting that monkey of her back and having one materially existential threat less to worry about.
technically they only purged libs because they mass-banned anyone that posted in CTH.
Except me, they purged the one true Socialist
Someone on that sub is what got me to check out CTH, and I've been a radlib ever since.
"Oh absolutely" to which of my three questions?
go watch her Baltimore video.
Mmm, gonna pass on that one
Well I've always been bad at pickup up themes in media, guess I'm also not so hot at reading people's true politics either
I don't particularly dislike her content but holy shit her "VOTE" video was so bad. She made a strawman out of the left, totally no needed to punch left now wtf?
It only gave ammo to the libs..
Who the fuck does she think is going to drag Trump out at gunpoint after the supreme court gives it to him?
All the institutions are on his side.
The democrats aren't going to do a military coup. They will roll over because they will recognise that it has more chances of causing a civil war than just letting Trump rule.
All the institutions are on his side.
Not really. The ruling class decidedly preferred Clinton to Trump in 2016, and while Trump did some helpful work for them during his tenure, it’s not like they are going to be screwed by a Biden presidency. Maybe there’s some marginal benefit to Trump’s policies (and that’s a small margin compared to Biden’s policies), but there’s also a benefit to not going mask off and exposing class rule, which was their problem with Trump’s ham-fisted approach all along.
Not to mention the legitimacy of their liberal “democracy.” Like I see this meme on here that things inevitably descend into fascism as like the true preference of the bourgeoisie. But that’s not actually their preference. Under their bourgeois liberal democracies, there are “safe” channels for dissent in elections that they win by default. Fascism is generally more costly in terms of investment into the state, and less predictable, because it requires turning over power to an enraged and psychotic mass movement of the petite bourgeois (and there is no organized movement like that in the US that is ready to take power).
If Trump has some plausibly-legal avenue to secure victory in the courts, of course the Democrats won’t stand in his way. But right now they are literally still counting votes against Trump’s stated preference, and he may well lose the election based on that continued count. Seems like his declaration of victory hasn’t been acknowledged by anyone outside of his own camp.
Exactly, don't see any reason for SCOTUS to capitulate to Trump. Trump is ahead right now, he needs to win a recount in Arizona or pull ahead in Nevada. Maybe they could halt all counting in Pennsylvania to maintain his lead there, but otherwise Trump's paths to victors require recounts or continuing counting in the pending states. So SCOTUS would actually have to throw votes out or make mail-in voting unconstitutional or something. That would be such an outrageously political move by a bunch of new political appointees that it would ruin the legitimacy of the state, endangering the very power of those SCOTUS justices.
But alternatively, they can just hand it to Biden, and remain in their seats until they die. Meanwhile, Biden will do nothing to them, has no power without the Senate, and wouldn't pack the court anyways. So why take such a risk on Trump? Might as well give it to Biden, what is Trump going to do either against you or for you? You already have your lifetime appointment.
She left in a fit last fall after the Buck Angel thing, made a two hour long video about "cancel culture" in which she swore never to come back to Twitter and then 6 months later she quietly returned
So she's not gonna turn into the antifa cat girl like she claimed??? :shocked-pikachu:
the election is close enough that reps are gonna fight it but the thought that trump is not gonna leave and go full dictator once the political establishment decides biden won is pretty silly. the one thing the owners cant take is some dummy rocking the boat, you are allowed to huff and puff and even steal an election but only as long as you dont rock the illusion bourgeois democracy is built upon.
EDIT: liberal democracy can of course drop the mask as has happened in other nations, but i don't think america is there at all as far as this election is concerned.
yeah they're going to fight it tooth and nail, but trump will eventually acquiesce, because this is the most comfortable position for him, since he gets what he was looking for in 2016 twice over: An opportunity to whine about electoral fraud every single fucking day.
theyre going to decide that they have to get even more conservative. will nominate the corpse of John McCain as the next speaker
