• Dirtbag [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Half this site takes itself very seriously while having never done anything to actually advance socialism. That half does this because they’re huge losers irl.

    Edit - if you identify with this comment, do the following:

    1. find some local orgs you think are cool and ask them what they need help with. If you have social anxiety, there are a lot of ways to help that don’t involve talking with people.

    2. Relax online, especially on this site. You don’t need to have a take on everything. Don’t get emotionally invested in a URL.

    3. Be kind to yourself and learn self-compassion. It’s a fucking cliche for a reason my dudes, it’s real and it works.

    4. If you have the chance and are in a good headspace, take acid. It’s great lol

    • ssjmarx [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I get what you're saying. I only have about a year of experience with organizing myself, but I think the kernel of truth to the idealized "offline left" is just the fact that having real world shit in front of you puts into perspective how meaningless all of the online shit is. My local DSA's got tankies, anarchists and socdems (mostly socdems), but nobody really cares what your tendency is because what's important is that we [insert local issue here].

    • anthropicprincipal [any]
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      4 years ago

      <furiously flipping through the CIA training manual for PsyOPs>

      That is not true.

  • budoguytenkaichi [he/him,they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Requiring nsfw tags for pictures of meat in c/food is still dumb to me.

    If it's a picture of, like, a stuffed pig or something, I get it, but once the food really doesn't look much like an animal anymore, it's not a problem imo.

    We have separate c/food and c/vegan communities for a reason.

    • anthropicprincipal [any]
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      4 years ago

      We really should not be opening the doors for any circlejerk sub imho.

      Circlejerk subs are usually rife with problematic edgelord types who care more about stirring up drama than any cause.

    • ButtBidet [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Ya, but it takes a fraction of a second. And it saves a lot of people undeserved grief.

      Honestly, this is something that should be stuck in c/strugglesession

        • ButtBidet [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Look at the comments to your comments. This is already shaking the drama tree.

          • budoguytenkaichi [he/him,they/them]
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            4 years ago

            Well that's not really my fault, the post asked for potentially controversial opinions, I commented one.

            I can't control what other people do.

            • ButtBidet [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              Do you talk about poop at the dinner table? Or say dirty jokes in front of older people? Putting a NSFW tag takes seconds, and it saves people grief. Gosh, why is human decency and compassion so hard?

              Controversial like funny, not controversial like shit that's been said so many other times already, and which came close to bringing the site down.

                • ButtBidet [he/him]
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                  4 years ago

                  So sorry that taking a fraction of a second to tick a box is hard for you. Especially since much of the community here, and big parts of the developers, find pics of dead sentient animals really distressing.

                  Remember this next time your neighbor or acquaintance is doing something that you find overly stressful, but they won't stop. Human decency and compassion seems pointless until you're the one who's feelings are getting ignored.

                  I'm meantime, pretty please, comrade. Please tag your meat pics as NSFW, so I can enjoy the experience here and not think of dying animals. Thank you.

                    • ButtBidet [he/him]
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                      4 years ago

                      Please comrade. I humbly beg of you. Please give a toss about my feelings and the feelings of other vegans/vegetarians here, and tick the box that says NSFW so I can enjoy this sub without getting depressed. Is that a lot? I'd be so grateful. 🙏🙏🙏🙏

                      • anthropicprincipal [any]
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                        4 years ago

                        I'm not even subbed to the food comm.

                        It seems the vegan community on Hexbear now thinks they can go to any comm they want and act morally superior to their fellow comrades.

                        Meat is not poop, billions of human beings eat it, and the fact that you think it is OK to talk about other people's food like that is messed up.

                        Please comrade, I humbly beg of you. Stop shitting on other people's diets.

                        • ButtBidet [he/him]
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                          4 years ago

                          Literally only asking you to check a box when you post a type of food that many find disturbing. Is this hard?

                    • ButtBidet [he/him]
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                      4 years ago

                      I sincerely honestly hope that your feelings aren't so intentionally shit on in the future. Remember that empathy and kindness can go both ways.

                        • ButtBidet [he/him]
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                          4 years ago

                          Dude, you can't tick a box to make your comrades feel better. Why does it need to be exclusionary for you? No one's trying to ban omnis on this.

                          There's literally a "no vegan posting outside of c/strugglesession" which I manage to follow to keep the peace. God forbid the mods enforce it. You come here and shit on vegans, which I haven't done to omnis. Peace starts with your own actions, comrade.

                          Ya sure. Bye.

    • camaron28 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Sushi was posted a few days ago and no one seemed to have a problem. I don't know if that was wrecker shit by people who don't even visit that comm or they have been all banned.

      • 24324564745364253q49 [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        Yeah, lets do the "no one called it out this once so clearly you're not really that bothered by it" thing that right wing groups are famous for

  • longhorn617 [any]
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    4 years ago

    Western socialists are much more utopian than Marxist, even many of the people who claim they are Marxist. It honestly reminds me of my bad habit off daydreaming where I think of how cool it would be if I did something and then never do it because I already got the satisfaction out of daydreaming about it.

    Somewhat related: I find the aestheticisation of sex in the online left and the prominence of it as an issue among some people extremely cringe. And in case anyone is confused, I don't mean like people of any gender or sexual orientation being able to live there life like any cishet person, nor am I talking about sex workers, those are very important material issue. I mean shit like :hammer-and-vibe:. There are people who are homeless and don't have healthcare or food, and as a result I'm highly suspicious of the portion of the online left who seem predominantly concerned with how socialism will affect their polycule's "play time". They remind me of hippies.

    • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Kinda reminds me of the AM/FM discourse.

      Utopian socialism/FALGSC stuff reminds me of shit like the hyperloop.

    • jabrd [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      See I agree but then you have people like Kollontai who was literally part of the central committee and also writing extensively about sex and romance through a materialist lens

  • Abraxiel
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    4 years ago

    It's more important to get people to realize where their interests align with yours and use that to further those interests than to make sure they have the same opinion on every issue. And there are exceptions and degrees of importance and it's actually really fucking hard and complicated to determine if someone will stand with you in important struggles, but sometimes you have to accept that social change is a process of continual movement and reorganization and someone making a gross joke is less important than if they'll help you get the biggest boot off your neck when it counts.

    • Segorinder [any]
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      4 years ago

      From the liberal brainworms that I've worked for a while to get rid of, I think a big part of the practice of being a liberal today is a need to try to get everyone to agree with your opinion, as a goal in and of itself.
      Is someone who fights for universal healthcare because they would benefit from it while holding reactionary social views a morally good person or a morally bad person? In practice, I don't really see a reason to care about the answer.

      If you can educate someone and change their mind, do that. If not, but you can incite them to take good actions for bad reasons, do that. Otherwise, fight against them as as enemy. You might end up doing all three with the same person on different issues.

      • spectre [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        From the liberal brainworms that I’ve worked for a while to get rid of, I think a big part of the practice of being a liberal today is a need to try to get everyone to agree with your opinion, as a goal in and of itself.

        A lot of this is cause liberals see this as the only way to enact change. You need to win the battle of ideas so that 51% of voters agree with you, and good things happen.

    • john_browns_beard [he/him, comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      As someone who's lived in cities my whole life, 100% with you. If I could make a reliable living as a farmer I absolutely would be out of here in a heartbeat. I love the peace and quiet and I have very little patience for other people so I'd probably be happier with more space and less crowds.

    • 5bicycles [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Is this going by current state of things or possible state of things and from which country?

      Like in Germany, there basically isn't any lone houses on the prairie type of of living due to a combination of laws and population size so the only material difference between living in a village in the country as compared to some suburb (in general) is that you absolutely have to take your car to do literally anything and also to do the racism more, you'll have the neighbours either way and don't really get to own 10 acres of land you can just fuck around on.

      And even through years and years of chud influence that goes farenough there is sizeable cowboy-aesthetic LARP going on and some people fly the fucking confederate flag in their gardens that's never really been changed and the only folks mad about it are turbolibertarian "why can't I erect a toxic waste disposal site on MY PROPERTY?" types

        • 5bicycles [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          You get one of those folks per district of suburb or allotment garden community.

          As a constant, too. Doesn't scale with with population size within the given community or anything, there's always one

      • kingspooky [he/him, they/them]
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        4 years ago

        Is this going by current state of things or possible state of things

        Current or possible, unless you redefine 'city' so drastically as to not really be a city anymore. Ultradensely populated areas with hugely limited personal space are never gonna vibe for some folks as far as long term living, myself included.

  • Wmill [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    It's okay to be horny but anyone being hornier than me taking it too far. Centrist horny is the way. Really hoping I didn't misspell anything.

  • Gayan [undecided]
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    4 years ago

    Arguing with and calling out people online is counterproductive for any social purpose, pushing people further away, while also making them feel more relatively confortable with unscrupulous bigots that will tend to accept them. And its just bad for your mental health in general.

    • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
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      4 years ago

      To add to this,

      Bullying doesn't work. Despite what we're all used to saying, it backfires more often than not. We just selectively remember when it does, like an abusive parent.

      Well-calibrated peer pressure, that meets someone's moral compass in the right way, works.

  • Bluegrass_Buddhist [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    Without the sponsorship of larger socialist institutions that are present in people's day-to-day lives, protests against police / reactionary policies / fascism in general are mostly just a form of ritual; one that has the effect of venting popular outrage rather than actually channeling it into revolutionary potential.

    I don't know if that's an unpopular opinion here, but I've definitely taken flak for it in my own irl circles.