reddit was full of Stalin big spoon discourse in the thread I saw this in.
My grandma told me that when she was 2 years old, Stalin broke into her family's home and ate all the food for the dog, and the dog starved to death, and then he ate the dog
They always follow the same pattern, first they make a smug ass statement that shows their ignorance, then they demand civility while giving none in return, then they say Hexbear is a horrible bad place full of trolls, then they claim that they were just trolling themselves the whole time when they are forced to admit to themselves that they have no idea what they are talking about.
Civility
Unironically calling themselves civil here https://lemm.ee/comment/16703290
glad to have served my part in creating today's struggle session
Which black book are you pulling your numbers from and how high will they be this time?
you may not be old enough to have heard this in school, so let me do it now:
wikipedia is NOT a reliable source.
alright cuh is loweffort trolling twas fun while it wasn't obvious
That was the most underwhelming ending to that gif. And you missed the opportunity to make it a 5 second countdown with that username.
Since we're talking numbers, do you have a negative number of braincells? Most of us don't make the emojis lib
This needs to be a tag line. Lmao Wikipedia, fucking hell at least read a book first before embarrassing yourself
Wikipedia is where liberal nerds go to slapfight, inconsistently using various rules to push their agendas. There is, for example, someone that spends a ton of her time fighting Nazi apologetics on Wikipedia that would otherwise still be there and she receives a lot of pushback. While her task is just, ask yourself why she needa to do it in the first place. Why is Wikipedia so friendly to Nazi apologetics? Why is it so hostile to corrections of it? Do you think the reasons might apply to other articles?
Wikipedia will mislead you on topics with more room for politics. It is fine if you want to use it to learn some math or something, but on anything social or political you should assume it has been written by someone sympathetic to Nazis and instead read books before forming any opinions.
Wheatcroft (who you have already cited) and Davies have some good overviews based on thr archives. Instead of using selected quotes provided by Wiki editors, I would recommend reading the source material. And then compare it, critically, to the intended message from Wikipedia.
No sort of serious review. Known to keep outright bad and highly (and intentionally) misleading material even after it is conclusively proven to be wrong. Have stuff like 'Radio Free [something]' listed as good sources.
The only stuff that you can trust Wikipedia on is math, basically, and even then only because they provide the proofs, and even then they also keep errors found in their sources with no notes on the matter.
Pretty sure any number of Nazis is entirely defensible.
And a lot of others. He wasn't very discriminatory in that regard.
Clearly in relation to killing others, but you’re too dishonest to follow the comment chain.
If we’re being intellectually honest, we actually do have to hand it to Stalin that he did many good things. You’re proving the meme correct because I guarantee you don’t hold any other world-historical figure to the same standard.
Intellectual honesty is when you make vague unfounded claims and broad statements about moral values that are immediately contradictory to what you're doing in the very same moment. If you then get pissy when people aren't taking things seriously then you're being very intellectual
You heard it here: the Bolsheviks stopping the distribution of anti-Semitic literature and the mass-killings of Jews is indefensible.
Unfortunately, because Stalin didn't go to medical school as a small child and perform open heart surgery on a grandmother in Tashkent in 1912, he was required to stand down and let Hitler take over the world.
Stalin's greatest crimes were his failures to discover and implement penicillin and the polio vaccine, directly making him at fault for everyone who died of any disease or old age in the Soviet Union.
Local Georgian man discovers weird trick to fight anti-semites and the social structures that are the root cause of antisemitism.
Liberals hate him!
Because this is your 2nd comment, I'm assuming you hopped over to .ee from .world. I hope you don't get banned so you can actually learn something. In the meantime, please send us your pacifist manifesto.
Oh I hope I do get banned. It’s a badge of pride to be banned from hex.
Given .ee's notoriety for Wehrmacht apologia, i expect that badge to have a skull and runes on it.
I hope I do get banned.
What happened to your veneer of intellectual honesty and good faith participation in your earlier comments?
Looking at most .ee users that have been banned in the modlog and it's all just for being cringe dorks that fail to have a basic social interaction
Wait so who's the one person you can kill before you become indefensible?
Everyone gets their one guy they can beat to death with hammers before it stops being cool.
serious question: how do u feel about cops killing people?
If you truly believed that then you'd be a vegan hermit living in the mountains, and you'd be doing all you could to strike those who crossed your indefensible number
In other words, this you?
Oh please cry more and comment on all my stuff again, this is delicious.
Indefensible in that you dorks never have an answer to it, yes
Political opponents, military figures. A lot of people that would have threatened his rule.
Political opponents
Yeah we already mentioned the nazis
Military figures
yeah, the nazis, we mentioned them
I'm pretty sure there were more than just Nazis in his kill list. The Old Bolsheviks for example.
Well seeing as how your "pretty sure" is from wikipedia, I don't really give a shit what you think
That's extremely vague and could easily describe Nazis, who, as others have stated, absolutely deserved to be killed. Do you have any names? Events? Places? Timespans? Anything beyond unnamed "political opponents" and "military figures"?
According to declassified Intel from the soviet union after it's fall there was a recorded amount of deaths of 3.3 million with approximately 1 million of them being on purpose and the rest due to neglect. You telling me they were all Nazis?
Which declassified intel? Again with the vagueness. Got a link to this intel so we can all read it and decide for ourselves what it says instead of just taking your word for it?
Well according to declassified intel they were all concentration camps guards each and every one of them
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Where's your outrage at capitalists then, cac? The magnitude of capitalism's four fucking times your bullshit settler's-encyclopedia-sourced figure; but you can only fix your face to talk about the spooky scary (extinct) soviets.
Placeholder: I made a comment about who was killed in gulags, it was removed.
Placeholder: I made a comment about who was killed in gulags, it was removed.
noooo I can't make unsubstantiated claims that perpetuate nazi talking points about double holocaust nooooooAlso yeah, nazis got killed in gulags.
Here's some reading material for you
This Soviet World - https://archive.org/details/this-soviet-world
Blackshirts and reds - https://welshundergroundnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/blackshirts-and-reds-by-michael-parenti.pdfNotice how I don't make vague notions towards "wikipedia" but instead direct you to the basis of my understanding of the world. Also notice how this basis isn't a faulty online service with direct ties to the US state department and a long history of right-wing infiltration and power-user squabbles. I would put in the effort of adding the links I usually add if I thought you'd actually read them.
Edit: or just go here https://hexbear.net/comment/168034
·11 days agoI made an epub of this soviet world, check https://comlib.encryptionin.space/ if you are interested. There is also an epub of Blackshirts and reds, but I didn't make that one.
That was you! I appreciate your work so very much! I hadn't bookmarked it and couldn't find it
You techbros always have all the energy for 'gulags' but then sit on your hands about the SLAVE PENS the Department of Corrections call prisons. This is a bad-faith position from origin just based off that.
Yes it is; and it's frankly kinda weird as fuck to me that you know more about a western-mythologized concept than you do actual existent 21st century slave pens masquerading as prisons. You talk so much unverified shit about gulags, but don't have the time to even research one of the last bastions of slavery in your actual time period?
I know you intended to use this question as that smug redditor
gotcha like "hah, I'm not even Amerikan" but that one question implies that you know more unverified, most-primary-sources-were-bullshit cruft about your conception of gulags than one of the largest examples of chattel slavery masquerading as 'rehabilitation' in your actual fucking lifetime; and honestly, it only disgusts me that much fuckin moreMaybe stop digging yourself deeper if you're already up to your ears in it
Slavery being legal is also a us thing. The 13th amendment didn't outlaw slavery
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Several US prisons are just old cotton plantations, like the farm
Soviet gulags had a higher survival rate in 1956 than the US prison system has today.
people who dared think criticism thought
Unironically Stalin did more to ensure freedom of expression than any western "democracy" ever has.
Yeah, he may be a controversial historical figure to some people, but under his watch the Red Army killed more Wehrmacht soldiers than any other faction in WW2 managed to, that's ofc a pretty big W.
No doubt and he definitely was a very influential figure. But he was also a very bitter pill that the Soviet union took to elevate themselves on the world stage.
Such a bitter pill that he was overwhelming popular
Victory over the Nazis and going from fuedal conditions to the space age sure is bitter
Not millions of nazis and those are the only ones who's deaths are in the millions
Why do you act like nazis are humans worth counting? Mr. Sundial, are you a nazi-lover?
killed more nazis, bigots and compradors than anyone else in history, stalin stay winning
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You can eat my whole ass off this take, Mr. Sundial; with a side of raspberry jam and a dusting of confectioner's sugar if you so please.
Nono, that was col of him, i'm talking avout civilians. And anarchists
I'm not gonna go through all this once again, just read the thread and comment on one of the many effortposts people have made already
He deposited lots of human resources too. Sadly, now there is no Stalin on them.
Context: "there is no Stalin on them" means lack of authority, complaint to which will result in positive change. It does not mean person saying it wants Stalin-era repressions.
