Russia-Ukraine Megathread 23

CARCOSA [they/them] · 3 years ago

Russia-Ukraine Megathread 23

SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him] · edit-2 3 years ago

'Possible compromise agreements with Russia, including on security guarantees, should be put for nationwide referendum, Ukrainian President Zelensky said on Monday.

"I explained to every negotiating team: when you are speaking about all these changes, they may be historic. We will come to a referendum," he said in an interview with TV companies, which was posted on the website of Ukraine’s Public television. "People will have to say and give an answer about these or those compromise formats. And what these compromises will be about is a matter of our talks and understanding between Ukraine and Russia. Anyway, I am ready to do everything which is needed if I am together with our people."

According to Zelensky, a "normal compromise" is a situation when Ukraine agrees to drop its NATO-wards plans but receives security guarantees from NATO member countries.'

How on earth are you going to perform a nationwide referendum when your country is actively in the process of being invaded and a significant portion is under foreign occupation?! And millions of Ukrainians have escaped the country already, are you getting their votes too? You, yourself, could end this whenever you wanted. You don't need to start printing fucking ballots.

Absolute fucking clown

Alaskaball [comrade/them] · 3 years ago

Just have a referendum in the more reactionary western part of the country and say its legit

LeninWeave [none/use name] · edit-2 3 years ago

Stupidest bourgeois politician in living memory, a record that will be broken by every subsequent bourgeois politician.

Except he's doing this on purpose because he doesn't actually care how many people die.

riley · edit-2 1 year ago

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SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him] · 3 years ago

well yeah. and it doesn't matter anyway, there's absolutely no way to guarantee any fairness here. every western org that checks to make sure elections are "legit" are gonna give them two big thumbs up even if there's video evidence, displayed by official Ukrainian sources, of Zelensky personally dumping anti-war ballots into a fire. It'll be a "based statement about how you can't vote out Russian fascism" or whatever the fuck.

anoncpc [comrade/them] · 3 years ago

He's not a clown, he's a puppet that the western capitalist control through NATO. Remember, there's no such thing as foolish leader, every move that the leaders make must conform to someone's interest, whether their nation, themselves, or the master behind them.

Puddinbrain [none/use name] · edit-2 3 years ago

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Frank [he/him, he/him] · 3 years ago

It doesn't sound like he's really serious about making a deal. "We're going ot have a referendum" just sounds like nonsense. Wasn't the whole point of the Maidan coup to consolidate power around the Ukrainian Nationalist faction? Why does he need a referendum?

Esoteir [he/him] · 3 years ago

:agony-deep:

voice_of_hermes [he/him,any] · edit-2 3 years ago

The referendum will, of course, wind up with whatever outcome he desires. So I guess the question is, does he want to:

drum up more excuse to keep feeding people to the fodder mill, or
is he trying to offload the blame for ending the war ("out of my hands") in the hopes that it'll save him from getting couped and/or assassinated by the U.S.-backed neo-Nazis?

AOCapitulator [they/them, she/her] · edit-2 3 years ago

lmao if there actually was a real (without rigging) referendum on this (hard in peace time) all the proles would vote to end the war because they don't want to be ground into paste

Do it zelensky, pull it off somehow and get owned by the proles