you are very wrong, but i am very interested in your thesis
edit: also trips
this post is also a petition to send the totally spies creators to the hague
Pretty sure mine came from Ranger's apprentice, anyone read those books? It's in like the fourth book or something, when the princess girl gets turned into a total bimbo by that guy with the magic gem.
I was a big fan of them as a kid, and I remember very clearly what you're talking about. I remember feeling like the author had run out of ideas around the 8th book or whatever, because for multiple books they were trying to deal with one normal charlatan dude, which completely strained my belief cause there's no reason one regular dude should give these superhumans so much trouble.
I blame the Aladdin movies and cartoon series for my transformation and mind control fetishes
Oh boy, I love the hypnosis and spiral eyes and all that, but I just can’t stand that damn snake. Kaa just makes me uncomfortable for reasons I can’t quite articulate.
Now, that Aladdin cartoon episode where the evil sexy mermaid turns him into a shark and mind controls him is extremely my shit. Seeing that episode was basically my sexual awakening as child.
idk that one lesbian lady jumping on top of me pinning me down and eviscerating me didnt seem like a capitalist
I can see it with some fetishes. BDSM reflects the gender power dynamics under capitalism and reversals of those roles. Incest porn is such a big thing because many of the people consuming the most porn live socially isolated at home due to current economic conditions, the most available women for fantasising about being their family. There are literal commodity fetishes like latex, rubber, leather, and panties/lingerie. Interracial porn is based mostly on capitalist race relations, either white supremacy or minority worker exploitation or post-war yellow fever from the American military presence in Asia. Casting porn and that whole realm is based on economic exploitation of vulnerable women, while none of the male pizza delivery men or plumbers get paid for their work. All of those fetishes really begin with your exposure to pornography, and most pornography is produced by some of the most depraved capitalists- a step below human traffickers if they aren't actually. The places where they get that porn are as much hypercharged Spectacle as they are slave markets as they are reinforcers of more commodified versions of sexuality.
Some fetishes exist organically and don't require capitalism. Plenty of them are a mind virus based on a product or a social/economic relationship as it exists under capitalism.
Quality post. More development about incest porn is needed because it was huge way before the pandemic and has actually declined recently (according to google trends, anyway).
Has it been declining? "Incest" is going down, but terms like stepbrother/mother/father/sister and cousin are the ones used in the titles and those are all remaining steady or increasing in search volume. Add -porn to the end and search frequency is either increasing (stepsister porn) or remaining steady. Investing in stepmother porn is a smart idea right now because the returns are twice that of stepfather porn.
Outside of the pandemic increasing porn viewership across the board, I don't know that it sets the barometer for that kind of porn as opposed to the economic conditions millennials and zoomers face in general. Living with parents is something that has been plaguing younger generations since at least the 2008 recession. This at least says there has only been a 4% increase in the percentage of 18-29 year-olds living with parents as a result of COVID-19, while I think those people would be less susceptible to that incest porn pathology because they've already left the nest and had a sex life. Chronic NEETs are the ones I think incest porn really targets and in that case it's selling them their alienation as if there's a sticky silver lining to it.
The prevalence of incest porn has a simple explanation: most people don't care about the title/theme of the video a fraction as much as the content, and beyond the title/theme an incest porn video looks just like a generic porn video.
So you make the exact same product -- a generic porn video -- but you slap "stepbrother" or something on it, and now you've opened up a new market for your video without turning off the mainstream audience.
I believe the truth falls somewhere between these two extremes of 'almost everybody who watches wants to fuck their actual family' and 'almost everyone who watches considers that angle irrelevant'. I think you're right about that mechanism playing a part but it must be a huge 'new market' if that works so well right, enough for further enquiry at least
it must be a huge ‘new market’ if that works so well right
It's either a much larger market than one might expect, or it's just super easy to repackage generic porn as incest porn. We know for sure the last part is true -- there are literally just ordinary videos of people fucking titled "stepsis does X" -- so the question is how significant is the first part.
Is it that much easier to repackage content as incest than, say, piano teacher, or neighbor, or roomate? Do those appear as often? How many of those videos are actually generic vs those that are plotted? And also, there is the matter of overcoming the presumably quite strong aversion from people repulsed by that theme, who must themselves also be a significant number.
These aren't questions for you specifically, and I can't feign total ignorance because I was a teen with google once and I remember many of the answers, unless it has changed much recently (I've been told it exploded)
Yes I only did the bare minimum with checking google trends and I thought it was possible someone would correct me. I thought I heard somewhere that the rise of incest porn had something to do with women becoming more interested in porn and preferring stories or something? It sounds like nonsense. But the one thing that’s definitely true is that it was huge before the pandemic and is still a thing now. It may have morphed from the MILF fetish from earlier. That in itself is kind of incest-y without necessarily being incestuous. Anecdotally MILFs were all the rage around ten years ago and are probably still popular. Paging Doctor Freud...
ok mr. man. im mrs. woman and supposedly im the one thats affected by this, and mrs. woman is doing fine in regards to it.
she is saying that despite you saying that it is abusive all the time, she partakes in it and feels not abused.
in other words, her mere existence as someone partaking yet not abused or abusing negates your universal assertion that BDSM is abusive.
Holy shit. So you're just going to completely disregard her perspective and assume you know more about her situation when you have virtually zero information about it. Not a good look, dude.
Reminds me of the time the male r/socialism mods banned a woman for drawing SFW catgirls on a separate site because "catgirls are inherently misogynistic." Stop being cringe.
You are being gaslighted, just by the person abusing you and making you believe you want it.
gas·light:
Manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.
you legit just said i had stockholm syndrome and that my completely loving and amazing boyfriend who has helped me more than anyone else on this planet is brutally abusing me.
youre a dipshit. perhaps dont tell women how to feel and think, stop being a disgusting reactionary misogynist, kthanks
abuse is abuse sure, but why is BSDM abuse?
you can’t just assert red is red as a reason for why that house is red
just because you feel she is abused doesn’t mean she actually is by the same logic; unless you have actual reasons beyond you feel like it is abusive to support your point, which you haven’t made clear yet.
also think of the epistemological conclusions of what you just said. she has less of a capacity to tell how she feels about something than you do? because what, you know what Stockholm syndrome is? or because you want to universalize a condition that you personally have?
Because there is evidence that most BDSM relationships are perpetuated by toxic individuals who gaslight their victims into believing that they want to be abused
what evidence? we are asking what evidence man. it’s like if i ask you why this house is red and you say “because red is red” and then if i ask again why the house is red and you response “because there is evidence to believe the house is red”
WHAT EVIDENCE ADAM WHAT EVIDENCE
The house is red because it was painted using a primary color that isn’t blue or yellow. Common techniques in bdsm include strangulation and spanking.
Okay why is the house not blue and not yellow? let me guess because it is red? You aren’t giving reasons you are just asserting definitions. We literally disagree with your definition of strangulation and spanking as universally abusive techniques.
Because the paint used is not blue and not yellow. Strangulation and Spanking is abuse, as they are used to cause physical damage as punishment to the victim m.
you legit abused me in this thread via gaslighting and youre on a high horse saying shit?
Now you’re accusing me of abuse because I said that your relationship is toxic?
I am not an abuser. I do not touch my girlfriend without her consent. I do not raise my voice at her. I don’t try to degrade her. I am not an abuser. Do not call me an abuser.
I don’t fucking gaslight her. I don’t lie to her. Do you want proof? I’ll go and find some fucking proof
we should probably refrain from being this way. i hate to be the civility fetishist but in the other thread he admitted his definition was flawed. this could be a learning experience rather than flogging session. i’m down to do both but i feel like we’ve flogged enough and now you’re trying to convince him that he might be abusing his girlfriend, which while possible, is similar to what he was doing to you. I don’t know it all is so iffy but it feels like something that isn’t right to do in return.
yeah im a rape victim i just hate some douchebag man telling me what is or what isnt abuse. its a huge thing for me. and tbh if chapo wants more women here there needs to be public flogging on this shit.
he's a 16 year old dipshit that's convinced he knows everything. the flogging is warranted. otherwise, he'll still be this way as an adult.
just saw your reply lmao. jeez wasted a lot of time on that one. kept things short though so not too much time.
his old account /u/sparticist got banned for telling someone to dilate as an insult. after this, I kinda hope they just ban him on sight.
unfortunate
also hilarious that that is an insult you can basically stop doing it with regular sex after a year
ok fine regular shoving things in your new pussy for fun and games.
also after like a decade you dont have to do it at all without any sex or anything
I think there’s a line we can toe to where we still publicly flog ourselves when one of us says some reactionary shit; however, we have to understand it as a flogging in order to correct the behavior rather than flogging for flogging’s sake. I’m not trying to modulate or regulate anyone’s behavior here, I just think that we should consider it the community self-flogging itself. Obviously there are times when it is necessary to flog someone and then ban then also; however, i don’t think this is one of those times so the situation should probably be handled as critique or flogging of a comrade rather than an enemy (as long as said comrade repents for the reactionary offensive when the flogging is over of course)
(i don’t think you did anything wrong really, nor would it be my place to say so if you did; i’m just adding a thought onto the thread i suppose)
yeah i can understand that totally, i was once like him so my experience causes me to try to guide them out of the r*ddit mentality. sometimes i get totally burned and they waste hours in stupid threads, this one had a pretty quick turnover rate though actually
yeah and unfortunately we didnt get into a deeper level talk (mostly because i hate talking about things like this except when in a certain mindset). theres many levels of why his opinion is wrong that i didnt get into mostly because he implied i was being abused by my boyfriend, who i love very much. first of all bdsm helps rape victims a lot, and its something that comes up in support meetings regularly and its a very awkward thing for anyone to admit liking in the first place, being a rape victim. its especially hard to admit in places outside of support meetings because people will start to blame you for being raped and so on even though the two have no connection. an issue with being raped is that you can get ptsd of it, which means you can get body feelings of someone touching you, holding you down, etc. completely randomly or with a trigger. bdsm helps with the body feelings by introducing those feelings but in a positive context. of course, you can only do this when in a good state of mind and with a partner that is very good at listening, but it can be very therapeutic and a way to get those feelings out of your mind.
Wow, I did not know that! That is truly fascinating from multiple points of view. That sounds like something I would hear Zizek talking about in reference to Lacan and Hegel. There is a lot of discursive meat to be had in that phenomenon, you are right.
You have no standing to accuse me of abusive behavior towards my girlfriend
I am not abusing my girlfriend. Stop accusing me of abusing my girlfriend
Will you stop accusing me of sexual abuse if I apologize for being an asshole to you?
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i legit never accused you of sexual abuse, i accused you of gaslighting me.
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an apology would be acceptable. wild that it took you 20 comments to come to the concept of apologizing and maybe listening
Alright. I’m sorry for jumping to conclusions early without any evidence and accusing your partner of being abusive towards you.
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See but i think the paint IS blue and you think it isn’t. That is the point. You can’t convince me without a reason or an argument as to why this color we both see (spanking or strangulation) is blue or not blue. We literally believe strangulation and spanking to be conditionally non-abusive activities, given consent under normal circumstances.
also if your definition of abusive activity is simply causes physical harm to the one acted upon, then is consensual sparring between comrades in MMA abusive?
And i believe that we have different definitions for the word Abuse.
Yes that’s my point, it is okay for you to personally not like BDSM bc you view it as abusive. However it is not okay for you to universalize that and say it is true for everyone and then to gaslight those that disagree with you into thinking their potentially loving and good relationship might in fact be abusive.
also so under your definition is MMA abusive?
So how are comrades to train martial arts? Perhaps your definition of abuse is too idealistic to account for situations of physical harm that are 1) consensual 2) necessary for training and 3) generally regarded as non-abusive
Sometimes i catch myself being too confident in my definitions of things and then find myself in the same situation you are. It happens to the best of us, and there’s no shame as long as we progress forward towards more dialectically advanced definitions of things.
Oh yes daddy, send me to the gulag for being a kinky subby capitalistic lib! :panting:
No, not really. You do get a point in that BDSM does tend to attract people with certain personality problems, that would benefit a lot more from therapy, but that does not make BDSM itself toxic and unhealthy...
It really isn't though. There are shitheads everywhere but BDSM in general is fine
I feel like many fetishes and bad sexual takes arise because of the Western puritanical repression of sexuality
But you repeat yourself
Protestantism and capitalism are very closely linked
Trying to think about my various fetishes and wondering which one didn't come from some media. Don't know if capitalism gave me them or through the media I consumed I found what I like. How much agency do we have really?
We can do as we want, but we cannot chose what we want
-Some German philosopher or something
Yeah to indulge in our fetishes or not. I've always been in indulge because life's too short anyway.
Safe and consensual are really the only check list if both filled out then there should be no guilt or shame. It gets kind of disconcerting when I hear of guys having a lot of shame when it comes to sexual urges. I mean this in a non judgmental way because I do understand if they might have things to work through but to be horny and miserable sounds not very pleasant.
Yeah, I think there's definitely something to that, a lot of left leaning straight guys are really hesitant to talk about their desires since there's this perception that it's inherently objectifying.
Hot take: I have kind of a suspicion that a lot of the men ironically talking about doing gay stuff (I know most of you fuckers are straight) are actually sort of acting on a desire to express your sexuality but still not wanting to express it towards women for fear of seeming predatory. Or maybe I'm being so woke I go all the way around to being reactionary, unsure.
Yeah, part perception of not wanting to see themselves or be seen as a predator I think. I think that a huge trick actual predators do is to get regular guys to second guess there own behavior so as to not call them out when being predatory. For a while growing up was super concerned with being creepy and don't get me wrong having empathy for other people and not wanting them to feel unsafe is good but while I was super focused on my own behavior I was effectively blind to other people if that makes sense. Now I try to read people as best I can while not being caught up in my own mind.
I also think that that best way to combat this is by having empathy for women and realizing y'all have sexual urges probably as strong if not stronger than us guys. Otherwise I think guys can maybe fall into denial about women being sexual. Probably the best empathy building exercise is reading about and asking women about their sexual urges if they open to it. Been realizing y'all are a bunch of perverts like us guys so that's cool. Been reading Nancy Friday books on women's sexual fantasies and its been eye opening. Don't know much about the author tbh but the books are filled with a lot of anonymous anecdotes of not just women but also men secret fantasies.
But as you said it's easier to express sexuality to men for straight guys than towards women here or least I felt that at first if I'm being honest. Actually not just here since I remembering I did this with my friend group in high school but while I was doing it because I was uncomfortable expressing sexual interest in women for fear of being seen as a creep the rest of my friends were all either gay or bi and having fun. I was the only straight one in my friend group and was dense as hell that it hurts thinking about it.
It's an artifact of the changing view of sexuality to a more liberating one I think. We're in a growing pain period that results in some real awkward and contradictory moments we've got to work through.
Been realizing y’all are a bunch of perverts like us guys so that’s cool.
Just recognized your username hehe
Introspection is painful but super rewarding. Also glad I made a good impression I hope. You certainly did to me.
first it was capitalism, then it was dengism, now i am ready for the third transformation
I can't speak for regular porn, but anime and hentai is 100% driven by capitalism colonizing your head. Or at the very least, colonizing and warping the head of a certain slice of Japanese people.
The reason every show has 2-5 waifus is because the shows themselves never make money, the merch does, and the people buying the merch are a small slice of anime watchers who are essentially addicted to buying the figurines. The reason why loli content (and non-loli-but-still-explicitly-underaged) is so prevalent is because for those addicts the last time they were happy was when they were in High School, before they had to start working. If Japan went communist Anime and Hentai would stick around for about twenty years, and then very quickly change into a form that we wouldn't be able to recognize or disappear into a historical curiosity.
Anime is just a style of animation, they wouldn't stop making it if there wasn't capitalism, people like making art, dude.
there is a mass amount of “waifu baiting” with very bland eye candy for protagonist to ogle in their harem of sorts. its a real trend in anime as a whole in many different genres. To say anime wouldn’t be influenced by capitalism leading to more and more obscure hentai and shitty tropes is seriously a consideration. I doubt it would be the same under different material conditions.
its not something to hand waive either though as there is ALOT of it and its mass consumed on huge scales
I think we are shaped by the society we live in, also regarding sexuality, but that saying that fetishes are capitalist is too simplistic. Other factors are at play as well.
However this got me wondering about what sex will be like in the free post-capitalist society of the future. We have several accounts from 20th century socialist societies suggesting that especially women had more fulfilling sex lives. Gender equality and less harsh beauty standards meant that women had fewer anxieties and could enjoy sex more. I also think that in a society where your basic needs are being met you are free from many of th worries we have under capitalism and thus able to enjoy life more, including sexuality.
I also speculate that in the free society of tomorrow relaxation of heteronormative guilt will improve the sex lives of especially men who will no longer have to worry about whether or not the thing they like is gay or not.
As for pornography and erotica I suspect we will see a radical shift. The material basis of a highly exploitative sex industry will be gone was there will not be an army of desperate women to abuse.
There will still be amateur porn where exhibitionists share their own content. The relaxation of sexual anxiety might even mean that there will be more of that than today. As for professional pornography I don't think it is impossible that it will still be around but it will be in a healthier more egalitarian form as control of the industry will lie with the workers. Removing the market discipline of capitalism is likely to make room for more creativity and diversity.
As for the tropes used in pornography and erotica they will be different than those we see currently under capitalism mimicking power relations under capitalism. I'm not sure what will replace them. "Marxist study group gone wild" maybe?
The protagonist is about to graduate school but still doesn't know what to do with his life, so he goes to an adult skills center for ideas - but it's an adult skills center and he is trained in the erotic arts.
A comrade moves to the city as part of her promotion within the party, and all of the other people in her apartment are hot guys who are eager to please their new neighbor.
A group of subs unionize against their dom, and eventually everybody flips with the new sub finding a whole new world a pleasure being tormented by six doms (who are also trying to dom each other).
The police HQ hasn't had a real case to pursue in months, and a lonely officer finds herself becoming more voyeuristic with every passing shift.
A group of subs unionize against their dom, and eventually everybody flips with the new sub finding a whole new world a pleasure being tormented by six doms
Kind of rude for you to break into my "deepest fantasies" cabinet and steal this but okay
The right attitude, no struggle sessions needed. Except struggling against restraints owo
fetishes are the result of infantile sexuality accompanying mature sexuality, it is the little object which can’t be reached or removed.
now let’s wait for a more experienced lacanian to correct me and provide a more precise answer
