Thank you @SeventyTwoTrillion for all your effort. :sankara-salute:

Old Map for reference

If you have any useful resource links please tag me in a comment with the link:

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can, thank you.

Links

Time/Map: https://time.is/Ukraine

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ukraine/@49.1162725,31.7993839,7z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x40d1d9c154700e8f:0x1068488f64010!8m2!3d48.379433!4d31.1655799?hl=en

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1B1PLMhbHmG1aJ2-QNxHY1TksI6HlNhqF&ll=48.60777942568106%2C36.4496511633501&z=7

Leftist discussion threads:

https://hexbear.net/post/177324

https://old.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/t03foy/genzedong_russiaukraine_master_discussion_thread/ :kitty-cri-texas:

https://lemmygrad.ml/

Others:

http://thesaker.is/. (Right wing pro Russian , little unhinged about covid , but interesting war analysis, gets quoted by naked capitalism )

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine-conflict-updates

Twitter military updaters:

https://nitter.42l.fr/RWApodcast

https://nitter.net/ASBMilitary :kitty-cri:

https://nitter.42l.fr/ArmchairW

https://nitter.net/Militarylandnet

https://nitter.net/MihajlovicMike

https://nitter.net/KofmanMichael

https://nitter.net/TadeuszGiczan/status/1498673348183744518

https://www.youtube.com/c/DefensePoliticsAsia/videos

Global South Perspective: https://nitter.net/kiranopal_/status/1498723206496145413

https://www.understandingwar.org

https://www.moonofalabama.org/

News updates:

https://www.cgtn.com/special/UkraineCrisis.html

Live: https://www.cgtn.com/special/Live-update-Ukraine-Russia-border-crisis.html

YT/Video in Ukraine:

https://www.youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsToday/videos

https://www.youtube.com/c/RussellBentleyTe

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  • baguettePants [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    This payment currency thing is really bugging me...

    If "EU companies could pay in euros or dollars through a Gazprombank account", how is it considered to be a "payments in rubles"? And then: "EU operators could make a clear statement that they consider their contractual obligations to be completed when they deposit euros or dollars with Gazprombank – as opposed to later, after the payment is converted into rubles".

    WTF is going on here? EU is then obviously paying in dollars/euros not rubles. Can someone explain this?

    It's like Gazprombank plans to "auto-convert" these dollars/euros to rubles themselves and EU companies will get to say "we paid with dollars/euros" and "that's when our obligations ended, so we didn't break sanctions". What is the difference between EU companies buying rubles themselves from Gazprom bank and then paying for gas, OR Gazprom bank auto-converting it instead? Is it just semantics to avoid sanctions? Is it that Gazprom bank could otherwise say "we don't accept dollars/euros, but you can buy rubles from China", so then China would get more dollars to dump on BRI or something? I don't get it...

    • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      You understand the idea. Countries send euros/dollars/whatever to Gazprom via an unsanctioned bank and then those foreign currencies are transferred into rubles at the current exchange rate.

      The point is that a) European countries don't have large reserves of rubles lying around and would have no way to get enough of them in time, and while cutting the gas off would hurt Europe more than Russia, it would still hurt Russia; b) this forces Europe to not sanction all of Russia's financial institutions if they want to keep the gas, and it's worked so well that the UK had to reverse its sanctions on Gazprombank so that it could get gas from Russia; c) this primes the west to do similar arrangements for other Russian goods; and, the final and probably most important point:

      Russia has now attached the ruble to something in the material world (such as a gold standard, as it has, but also other materials that Russia produces a lot of, like grain and metals) rather than it being free-floating like other currencies. The ruble and the natural gas are now inseparable, which therefore means that so long as Russian gas is in consistent demand, it cannot significantly go down in value (e.g. the petrodollar). Over the next few years it may go down in value if Europe commits to separating themselves from Russian gas, whether that's to switch to renewables or other sources of fossil fuels, but for now, it's now a fairly reliable currency and will get increasingly reliable as more and more commodities are priced in rubles and "locks in" its value. Hypothetically this would cause it to become a reserve currency, though in practice I don't know if that will happen; especially as Russia is stating it wants lots of national currencies rather than just one reserve currency, ruble or otherwise. Anyway, Russia can then control its euro-to-ruble exchange rate by "simply" saying that X amount of gold is now worth Y rubles (and so on for gas and metals etc) and therefore Y rubles is now worth Z euros, which puts the euro in a weaker position than the ruble.

      Europe might say "well, that's unfair! just because you say your currency is worth something doesn't mean it is worth that much!" but Russia has the resources and Europe does not, so if it wants to keep getting resources, it's gotta put up with it. So long as Russia doesn't make their own resources more expensive than other options (such as American natural gas), then by the desire of capitalists to make the most profit, they will take the cheapest option.

      • baguettePants [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Thanks, but unfortunately I still don't understand the difference of EU customer going to Gazprom bank, exchanging their dollars/euros to rubles first, and then buying gas vs. EU customer paying to Gazprom bank with dollars/euros first, and then Gazprom bank just auto-converting to rubles to buy the same gas with. The only thing I see here is that Gazprom bank could charge an extra 1-4% exchange fee or something, if the EU customer initiated the currency exchange. I am asking this, because EU seems to be making a HUGE deal out of who actually does the currency exchange.

        I googled this very fresh article (https://archive.ph/kq7eP) from S&P and it also didn't help much....except it seems like even though some EU officials "in charge" know what the Russian conditions stipulate (since the Russians sent the new payment requirements), they are not disclosing it clearly and transparently to public, for some reason.