We're not voting for him libs, get the fuck over it already lol.
Why would I vote for Biden? He offers absolutely nothing but vague platitudes and a promise to the bourgeoisie that “nothing will fundamentally change.”
RGB is basically Lady Cassandra from Doctor Who at this point -- nothing more than a sheet of skin stretched over a skeleton. She's ready to disintegrate the moment the wind blows a little too hard.
The very real, immediate result of 4 more years of Trump is the Supreme Court will never rule in a way you agree with -- including overturning Roe v. Wade and abolishing access to abortion in this country overnight. Let's be real: today's Democrats wont try to pack the court again -- which means we'll never see actual progress in this country within our lifetimes no matter who the fuck is president.
I know it's one of the tactics libs use to scare people into voting Biding, but in this case they're 100% right. There just doesn't exist a path for the left with a completely rigged Supreme Court unless a dem president grew a spine or we had a constitutional convention and neither of those things are gonna happen.
"We must elect the guy who smeared a sexual assault victim to help Clarence Thomas get on the Supreme Court, and rallied Dems to vote for Scalia, so that we may save the Court from the evil clutches of Trump"
this. we already lost. like, everything said is true-but its just as true of biden-harris as trumpence.
I need a shower and a very rough loofah to rub my bare skin raw every time I think it, but the alternative is the Honorable Tom fucking Cotton and Ted Cruz.
I think that's just Trump doing dumbass Trump soundbites. The actual nominees would be whoever the establishment wants them to be, just like under Biden. They shove a piece of paper under Trump's dumbass nose, he signs it, and then he does a press junket to say how it was his idea the whole time. Like with everything else.
That might be true, but we don't know a Trump that isn't concerned with being elected another 4 years yet. I don't want to fuck around and find out.
Regardless, any justice he appoints will be just as evil regarding all practical considerations.
I really don't think Trump will move toward outright fascism given 4 more years. I think the politics will remain more or less the same, but the "don't give a fuck Trump" will go more in the direction of doing less restrained tweeting, talking about toilets in public speaking appearances, and turning around and launching White Castle farts into the White House press pit.
I really don’t think Trump will move toward outright fascism given 4 more years.
I mean we're already at the "abduct leftists in unmarked vans and talk openly about calling in the military to massacre them" stage; where do you see that going?
The Supreme Court is already gone and honestly has needed to be reformed for a long time now.
That's not going to happen when you make it harder. If you want to wait for the left to be quashed until enough grassroots momentum develops for a full scale revolution, then a lot of people are going to be hurt or die assuming it's even possible at all.
Everyone here would support a viable alternative, but when the leftist movement in America currently consists of a few podcasts, powerless niche political parties, a few problematic congresspeople and a presidential candidate -- then worrying about the SCOTUS isn't lib shit but simply practical shit.
Simply voting should take 1-8 hours out of your day depending on the egregiousness of voter suppression in your area. Permanently and irreversibly changing the potential political and material reality of your country for the worse is forever.
biden will not grow a spine. this is an argument for voting trump.
nothing will fundamentally change
The only pro-Biden argument is that things not fundamentally changing (i.e., things continuing to get worse) is still better than things fundamentally changing in the wrong direction (i.e., things getting much worse, much more quickly, in ways that significantly escalate what we'd need to do to turn things around).
If the left were more organized accelerationism would make sense. I don't think it makes sense with the level of organization we have now.
hello sir my car is broken and does not run anymore, i would like it repaired to exactly the state it was is in just moments before the wheels fell off thank you.
But the choice is between that and torching your car. One is a shitty non-solution that at best will let you limp another mile, the other is accelerating the problem.
if we are going to torture this analogy further, then i do also have a bike in my trunk (state and local government + congress) that works all right, and i can get on it and sweat a little. but i know if i let the sketchy repair guy barely fix my car, the odds are very high the bike will get stolen. and then my car will immediately fall apart again, and i will be stranded again just like before, but sans bike and whatever arm and leg it cost me to pay the mechanic.
Joe Biden in 2020 would do nothing to prevent Tom Cotton in 2024, yes. What Biden would do is (arguably) give the left more time to grow and organize. With Biden we're strolling lazily towards fascism; with Trump we're sprinting there. The left is not ready for sprinting there.
Joe Biden in 2020 would do nothing to prevent Tom Cotton in 2024, yes. What Biden would do is (arguably) give the left more time to grow and organize. With Biden we’re strolling lazily towards fascism; with Trump we’re sprinting there. The left is not ready for sprinting there.
The left organized WAY more under Trump than under Biden.
Please do not misconstrue this as support for Trump. I am voting for neither. Just addressing this one shitty argument.
The left organized WAY more under Trump than under Biden.
I'm guessing you mean Obama, not Biden.
First, the material conditions of many people are worse today than they were in, say, 2011. It's also no longer plausible to sell people on any sort of slowly-building economic recovery. Second, Obama had a progressive veneer, was incredibly charismatic, and was subjected to all sorts of horrible racist attacks from chuds. From a retail politics standpoint that all made it harder for any sort of left criticism to stick. Third, there was no real infrastructure for any sort of mass leftist movement when Obama was elected (and the closest thing that did exist was his campaign). Compare the protest/media/electoral leftist ecosystem today to that of 2008, and you'll find there's no comparison at all.
If Biden wins he will take office in an economy much more conducive to leftist organizing, will have almost none of the personal/tactical advantages Obama had, and will face much stronger leftist criticism from Day 1.
The left organized WAY more under Trump than under Biden.
Also assuming you meant Obama. The left was almost non-existant in any real visible capacity to the average American until after 4 years of Obama. I'm old enough to remember and have been a leftist since Clinton. To me, that's solid anecdotal evidence that ineffectual dem leadership is more mobalising for the left than transparent fascism for whatever reason.
Libs are immediately pacified as soon as their guy is elected while people that have a modicum of human empathy become more frusted. Trying to play fucking 4D chess about this is going to hurt the left.
obama already serves as the mark for ineffective democratic leadership, biden isn't going to change that, and it doesn't need to be refreshed. what organizes and drives people left is adversity, which is still there during a dumb ass neo-liberal, but much more apparent under a neo-con.
four more years of trump gives the shit time to fester to the surface, which is necessary for people to actual realize what the fuck is happening.
cops have been killing minorities for decades, under obama, under bush, under clinton, the entire fucking time and the whole time it got swept under the fucking rug. that shit only got any real attention because even the mainstream media has to use it as an attack against trump.
trump being president is like a giant shining light on all that is wrong with america, and that light turns off under biden. you are arguing against logic. stop.
I think Trump is less bad of the two horrible options, but again, "prefer" is a tricky word. That tiny margin of preference is not enough to motivate me to vote for Trump. I can't morally pull that lever for someone that monstrous.
I think our political struggle would face fewer obstacles under Trump, but that is not a reason in and of itself to vote for Trump.
I think our political struggle would face fewer obstacles under Trump
Trump is already kidnapping leftists using unmarked vans and federal goons who refuse to identify who they work for. Literally the only reason you run that sort of operation is so that -- if you decide you want to -- you can indefinitely detain or even disappear someone.
How is that (and what it is obviously setting the stage for) less of an obstacle than whatever Biden would do?
wrong, we will get our shit totally wrecked
https://i.imgur.com/GFSSat0.jpg
i am leaning towards the idea that the best case is for Biden to lose, but Dems take control of the senate so they can block all Trump's nominees for 4 years. but it's hard to say how Trump would act without McConnell there to kill everything in the Senate. i think Dems could send bills to his desk, he might actually sign some of them. i think he would even sign single-payer if they called it "Trumpcare" and he'd secure his big ego a huge legacy (at least narrowly on healthcare) like tommy douglas in canada. haha, who i am i kidding, the dems would never pass a single-payer bill. (Trump has genuinely supported single-payer for decades.)
of course, Trump leaning into some kind of right-wing nationalism but with welfare state policies (hmmm is there a name for such a thing), it would be absolutely devastating politically for the liberals who have been offering absolutely nothing, and insufferably smug about, too.
the best case is for Biden to lose, but Dems take control of the senate so they can block all Trump’s nominees for 4 years
That could be the best scenario, but I doubt Dems have the fortitude or party coherence to stonewall like that. I don't think there's any chance they'd stonewall a Supreme Court nominee for years, especially, and there's a good chance they'd lose the ensuing legal battle if they tried.
There's also a chance this could lead to Trump being impeached again, but removed this time, which would leave us with President Pence. Again, I don't know if libs could get their act together enough to do this, but that + a Democratic Congress would probably be even better than Trump with a Democratic Congress.
I doubt there would be 67 votes to remove him. You might be right about the court, but in my opinion (and this is a narrowly tailored kind of accelerationism) I think anything that convinces the libs the SCOTUS is illegitimate is probably good. Because even if Biden wins he is going to put stooges like Garland on it. Even in a best-case scenario, where and AOC/Lee Carter ticket wins the white house, the court is going to fuck any left-wing agenda hard, whether it's Biden nominees or Trump nominees.
I actually think the Senate would stonewall Trump's nominees, but they are fucking PISSED at McConnell for his strategy of "turning the Senate into a graveyard." They did not get to that point in a political career to be nothing but bench warmers to prevent McConnell from pulling some kind of wonky quorum bullshit and do god knows what while Dems are doing whatever the do in DC. For example, even Joe fuckin Manchin has gone back and forth on the filibuster. Not for any ideological reasons, but just because if they don't nothing will happen even if they do take the Senate majority.
and this is a narrowly tailored kind of accelerationism
I don't think you can really do accelerationism with any sort of control.
Even in a best-case scenario, where and AOC/Lee Carter ticket wins the white house, the court is going to fuck any left-wing agenda hard
Not necessarily; FDR was able to do a lot of stuff similar to what the AOC wing of the party is suggesting now, and the power of the federal government has almost universally increased since then.
They did not get to that point in a political career to be nothing but bench warmers
I doubt they're actually concerned about this -- as a politician there's nothing better for your continued electoral hopes than not being able to do anything and having someone else to blame it on. If you do something, it might not work and you might take the heat.
Really, it isn't a question of which one will help grow the left. Neither of them will help grow the left. They are both dedicated to a system which vows to eradicate the left.
Neither administration will lift a finger to make our task of organizing easier. Both candidates are in a pissing contest vowing to crack down on "aNtIfA" harder than the alternative in an effort to appease the suburban petit bourgeois fascists. The real answer is that it ultimately doesn't matter who wins. This is not a democratic process under any pretense. This country is not operating with "the consent of the governed" in any measurable fashion. The election is a charade, and to get caught up in the outcome one way or another is a waste of precious sanity.
The "Trump may be better for the left" takes are cringe. The "Biden may be better for the left" takes are cringe. They are both good for capital, they are both bad for us, and the whole circus is so far removed from the things the masses actually have control over.
Sure, we need to take whatever we can get. I remain convinced that there is absolutely nothing we can "get" here though, aside from opportunities to agitate.
If the left is going to grow in this country it's up to us to convert our friends and neighbors. The worsening of material contiditions under Trump is just as likely to drive people to the right as it is to the left. Biden might be scum and I personally won't be voting for him, but he will preserve the status quo giving us four more years to organize. Under Trump it's entirety possible that "far left" organization will be made a priority target. In fact he's doing right now by strawmaning Biden as an Antifa puppet.
Under Trump it’s entirety possible that “far left” organization will be made a priority target. In fact he’s doing right now by strawmaning Biden as an Antifa puppet.
Federal goons are already arresting DSA organizers.
Neither administration will lift a finger to make our task of organizing easier.
Of course they aren't going to actively help; the question is which will create an environment more conducive to recruiting leftists. I'm going to go out on a limb and say the side currently abducting leftists in unmarked vans (and that's openly discussing when they can order the military to shoot leftists) is not going to create the best environment for the left.
biden literally said anarchists should be prosecuted. not gonna count on him stopping that shit.
Trump would probably help the left grow more than Biden
I don't think many people who say this are actually serious about it, because if they were they'd vote Trump. After all, voting is not some moral referendum; it's a (heavily limited) political tactic. Trump = acceleration, and for the reasons stated above the left is not ready for acceleration. You don't seek out a conflict when you're small and disorganized.
Please take a look who gutted M4A and GND, and tell me if Trump can even top that.
You're talking about "gutting" policies that don't even exist and that likely wouldn't exist even if Bernie was the nominee, won, and somehow got a Democratic majority, too. M4A and GND are imaginary at this point, so gutting them doesn't mean anything in the real world. Literally anything Trump does that has real-world consequences is worse.
pretend like everything is OK
What part of "the left needs to grow and organize and needs the best possible environment for that" is "pretending like everything is OK?"
It's not necessarily accelerationism to think that the liberals in a Biden administration would use every ounce of political power to crush the left, rather than the right. Whereas if Biden loses, the liberals will be split between playing defense and punching left. The right doesn't understand the difference between the left and liberals in the first place.
There is also a strong argument to be made that if Biden wins, the Republicans will make gains in state and local, and in congress. It happened extensively under Obama. Then you are weighing one office, the presidency, against a slew of other parts of government. If we're being honest your state and local government has a lot more impact on your day to day life than the president. The people from whom the president matters most are people who live in red states, and not in the city. The people for whom the downballot matters most are people in the swing states. So if you live in Michigan, you might wonder, are you willing to risk getting another Rick Snyder running your state just so Biden can do fuck all in the White House for 4 years, and set Kamala up to lose to Tom Cotton or Josh Hawley or Nikki Haley or some other asshole who is much more competent ghoul than Trump?
There is also a strong argument to be made that if Biden wins, the Republicans will make gains in state and local, and in congress.
Why wouldn't that happen under a hypothetical Sanders administration? "We're better off with the GOP in office because otherwise the GOP will win more lower seats" can't be the logic all the time, or else we'd just willingly hand over the keys to them every four years. I'd wager at least part of the answer is that a black man with an exotic-sounding name breaks chud brains in a way a white guy named "Joe" won't.
Does living in a swing state count as a gun? My liberal vote shaming family and friends are afraid of guns.
No self respecting leftist is going to vote for Trump
Doesn't that say something about how good or bad he really is for the left? There's a lot of tension between "Trump would be better than Biden for the left" and "no fucking way would I ever vote for Trump."
So you really think the corporate elites are going to let even a center left soc dem like Bernie Sanders come close to power again?
You could have said the same thing after 2016, yet there he was as the Democratic frontrunner in 2020 through the first four primaries. Corporate elites have enormous sway over elections, but they can't just determine the outcome by flipping a switch. To kneecap Bernie they needed (1) the left not to be too strong, (2) a centrist politician with at least some credible public support, and (3) some coordinating force -- Obama, in this case -- to persuade centrist candidates to drop out on cue. There were other factors that helped them pull it off in 2020, and there are a dozen random things that could have wrapped it up for Bernie no matter what they did (imagine if covid or the Tara Reade story hit two months earlier). And don't forget, Bernie is not an especially strong candidate. He's old, he's not particularly charismatic, he had to create a political base from scratch, he had no allies in the party, and he comes from a state too tiny to have much of an electoral impact. If anything about that situation changes in the future, there's no guarantee they'll be able to job another candidate the way they jobbed Bernie.
But now if his supporters capitulated, the bourgeoisie will not be afraid anymore.
No matter what the left does, the left doesn't get to decide how that's portrayed in the media because the left's media arm is still in its infancy. They're going to try to blame the left for any negative outcome no matter what we do. We can't control the narrative, so the discussion is about what little influence we do have on the end result, and what result we'd prefer.
Should the KDP have worked with the SDP in Weimar Germany is a timeless question and it manifests itself today in our choices.
the left actually shrinks under less evil liberals
What are "material conditions"?
I finally told my mom that I left the Democrats and re-registered as a No Party Preference and she lost her shit. I also told her I'm not voting for Biden, but I live in California so it doesn't really matter. Libs can fuck allllll the way off.
I’m in a decent situation where my mother left the dems and registered as no party preference before I did, and both my parents are supportive of me not voting Biden in a swing state. I just got to drop theory on them and push them towards ML now
I don't think I've seen anyone here apologizing for Biden. The most you'll see is "Biden sucks, but I'm half-heartedly considering voting for him even though he's doing his best to convince me not to."
It's exactly this and some people are way too caught up in the online argument drama. Pick a fucking way to vote or don't already and stop incessantly having the same boring argument over and over.
People are really hoping that they can effect something but won't at least at the presidential level.
That's still apologizing for him. It's admitting he is somehow the better option or "harm reduction". He isn't.
Everyone on my basketball team sucks, but I still have to pick five starters. Am I "apologizing" for the five starters even though I openly say they suck too?
The game is going to happen whatever you do. "Don't play" just lets someone else decide.
idk chief I dont see any distinction between trump and biden that holds any substance so i'd rather be guilt free
esp since biden is prolly going to start a couple wars
lol I'm not going to tear my hair out writing a perfect analogy for someone who doesn't know what "apologize" means
Every once in a while I run into normie lib social media and my brain melts for a minute the level of weird appoligia these people do to themselves to think Biden is good.
are people doing a biden here i havent even seen that, genuinely curious because i think itd be hilarious to see a chapo user try and do that
There's some going on in the thread about Trump wanting to put Tom Cotton on the Supreme Court.
Who cares if the GOP funded them or not? That doesn't change the practical consequences.
Why vote blue? If you live in a swing state you are one of the few people with actual power to sway the election. Unless you have an actually good reason to vote bloo, which I assume from how you phrased it you don't, means that you not voting bloo is the best message you could send. Probably the best of all would be a blank presidential vote and whoever is progressive down-ticket.
This is exactly my swing state strategy. The thing that gives me the most confidence is that biden straight up.told me not to vote for him. I lose zero sleep on this decision.
When you vote for Biden you’re essentially approving his platform.
Lol not remotely. He has no meaningful platform, for starters. Voting is an extremely limited political tactic, not some sort of moral endorsement.
yeah he does have a platform
But no meaningful platform. He doesn't care about it, his supporters don't care about it, the odds of him passing anything significant are slim, etc. It's just "hey remember Obama?"
it’s an opportunity to make clear that you don’t support something
You can't make anything clear with your vote, because a vote isn't a message, and the left doesn't control mainstream messaging outlets. Literally zero of the reasons you have for voting the way you do will be communicated to anyone unless you personally tell them. The messaging is all done after the fact, by people in the media.
succDems are so mentally weak its a joke
They have no moral compass or sense of decency but instead are cowed at the fake hype that Biden is less worse than Trump
Imagine writing rape apologia like this
And heads up: i can make a very convincing arguement that Biden is worse than Trump as all the countries suffering under the jackboot of imperialism want Trump to win
Can start with under Obama/Biden
- the dems took 3 wars to 7
*Opened concentration camps on the Mex border
- imprisoned more whistleblowers than every previous president combined under Obama/Biden
*Obamas renege on his 2008 campaign and all his promises led directly to Trump
Conversely Trump has not started a new major war
But honestly if you can torture yourself mentally into having any respect for yourself after voting for Biden you're a shitlib and a lost cause
What do you think will be the consequences of rewarding the DNC for their present conduct?
Votes are what they use to secure power. They care about votes.
President Kamala sounds good to you? If they keep being worse and worse and yet you keep rewarding them, you are the fool and not them and you don't get to complain. The fact that you say not voting helps trump shows how fucking shackled you are to the two party system and the idea that there is no other choice.
Yea Trump is terrible. But he only caused the Dems to also be even worse then before instead of better. Being the marginally lesser evil has been their only selling point at least since Nixon.
They will not learn without resistance. We have to make them understand that there is a limit. They have to lose or they will absolutely not change. To be fair I don't think they will change enough of they lose, but losing twice to trump is the best wake up call I can imagine.
If it doesn't matter then why are you gonna vote at all?
I am condescending because we can't coddle each other like children over this stuff. If we can't talk candidly to each other then what can we do? I believe quite firmly that a vote for the lesser evil is always the wrong choice. If neither party is able to even promise you a thing you want, then it makes no sense to vote for either party. And a thing you want can't be one party saying 'we will not piss on you if you are on fire' and the other saying 'well we might be convinced to piss on you under the right circumstances'. Yes that is two distinct choices and you can rank them and one is better then the other, but they are still not choices you should see as the horizon of the possible.
So, to spell it out: In a choice between Kamala and Pence, the correct choice is to choose neither.
Well I am sorry if I sound persuasive. Maybe I am making good points ;)
And you do have another reason to vote for Biden after all. Not a good one but hey, it's something.
This election not mattering is actually an okay stance in my book. I am very morally incensed about the democrats and I am not hiding that. If you are just done with the system for the most part then that's fair enough.
shrug
If the Dems get through with their ratfuckery again, they deserve to lose again. It really is that simple.
The Dems had every opportunity to extend an olive branch, between the pandemic and everything else 2020 is throwing around. They didn't do a damn thing. I would rather not be lied to by them then help them.
You literally cannot imagine a good thing they will do. You cannot get hype for them or invested. They can just 'reduce harm' a little compared to orange Mussolini. That is the horizon of the possible with a vote for Biden and you said it yourself.
Mark my words though: If Biden wins, there will be no harm reduction. They could have so very easily pushed for harm reduction now when it is already needed and they didn't. They are unwilling to even make a token effort now, before the election. If you think that will change if they win you are in for a disappointment. All they will give the millions of people who need help now is a 'Sorry, we know it's hard' as they do nothing. It is what they have done for decades and it has to stop working.
The Dems do rely on the left to hold their nose and vote for them while offering them nothing. They have done so for decades.
Note that I explicitly say don't vote for the president. If neither choice is good, don't choose at all. If the left vote can be captured by “probably actively pushing for the same things but sugarcoated”, then the left will never get anything at all.
“actively pushing for awful things” vs. “probably actively pushing for the same things but sugarcoated”
So, awful things in happening in a way that people will be more radicalized by vs. awful things happening but being completely ignored because Biden is so polite about it.
Seeing how the cities currently overpaying their militari...oh sorry cops to beat down left-leaning protests, I wouldn't hold my breath there either. They don't care about militias, they only care about putting a thin veil of normalcy over the shit heap that is the US.
In regards to militias: What will really happen is that, without Trump to embolden them, these militias will go to ground on their own terms and harden their resolve and be back all the stronger in four years.
Wanting a fascist to win so you can own the libs,, but it's ironic, so that makes it ok.
fuck me you're going to get us all killed.
Don jr puts Ben Shapiro on the Supreme Court in 2032 and they make it illegal to not snort a gram of nose candy a day. World peace is accomplished
Electoralism is never going to solve the fundamental issues in America and most people's votes are worthless, just enjoy the shit flinging a little and go back to things that matter
I'll probably end up voting for Biden. I don't want to, I'm fine leaving it blank. I vote in a deep blue state, so my vote is meaningless, but I've been guilted enough by my Mom and don't want to lie to her.
Don't vote for Biden. You have literally no reason. Just tell your mom the truth, you didn't vote for Biden because he sucks and your vote in a blue state doesn't matter anyway.
I don't know why, but for whatever reason she doesn't want to hear it.
Listen, I know I sound like a massive pussy, but I'm 30 and I've spent a lifetime letting down my Mom. I'm fine taking the very low hanging fruit here.
lol same, if it doesn't matter it doesn't matter. So fuck it, it takes a few minutes and I'm voting for other shit on the ballot anyway. People here talk like not voting is the most leftist thing ever, sometimes I feel like I'm reading a bunch of zoomers who think a socialist revolution is going to start online.
Lie to your mom or just tell her it's none of her business who you voted for. Voting literally doesn't matter especially in the state your in. Have fun and write in Jesse Ventura or someone memable, or deliver food to the homeless on the day you'd be voting - it will reduce far more harm than voting for Biden.
Vote third/blank if your state is deep blue. No reason to vote dem if they're winning anyway and you could help third parties reach thresholds
The Two Genders:
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I'll vote for Biden despite him putting Uyghurs in camps.
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I will not vote for Biden and he is not putting Uyghurs in camps.
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As if anyone Biden picks is going to be much better? Cotton is louder about being a fascist, but he probably wouldn't decide cases any different to whatever conservative Biden has planned.
Sotomayor and Kagan are far far far far far far better than the guy who wrote a NYT op-ed promoting obedience to a police state.
Biden isn't Obama. Biden is the guy who attacked Anita Hill to help get Clarence Thomas approved. Biden is the guy who voted for Scalia. Biden is the guy actively moving to the right in pursuit of Trump.
They're part of a machine. If you think Biden and Obama personally select the candidates rather than "advised", then you've distinctly got a lot more confidence in Biden's mental faculties than I do.
The entire party is moving right. Biden's nominee will be indistinguishable from someone like Thomas or Scalia.
Even if it's not, even if it's fuckin' Obama himself, their decisions will mostly be tacit approvals of our decent into fascism. Just with a couple "how dare you sir"s thrown in to decisions that don't matter too much and were already decided.
If you think Biden is to the right of Trump I don't know what to tell you.
I didn't say to the right of. I said their nominees will vote the same on all the issues that matter.
The entire party is not moving right, the party is moving LEFT and at a good clip. People get tunnel vision on the presidency and the "national" party. The "national" party is really just an illusion. It doesn't exist. It's 57
islamicstate parties. The left getting an "upset" on an entrenched incumbent is starting to look less like a series of "upsets" and more like a pattern. And that's without even getting into what has been happening at the state and local level. The left is very much still ascendant in the party, and stopping Bernie took everything they could muster up. It took Obama coordinating a conspiracy with all the other candidates to drop out and endorse Biden, plus the entire national media constantly shitting on him, plus the cheating in Iowa, who knows what else behind the scenes... all that just to stop Bernie. Biden/Harris is probably the last big hurrah for the center-right wing of the party, imo. Though if Biden wins, he will set up a bunch of soulless toads like Pete Buttigieg with White House experience, then they may drag out the death throes a little longer.If you look out further than 4 years or so, the boomers start croaking. It's all downhill from there.
the party is moving LEFT and at a good clip
Imagine believing this. A few small wins does not equal moving left. But even those "left" winners happily fall in line behind the national party marching right.
Biden/Harris is probably the last big hurrah for the center-right wing of the party, imo. Though if Biden wins, he will set up a bunch of soulless toads like Pete Buttigieg with White House experience, then they may drag out the death throes a little longer.
No, Biden/Harris is enabling the Bush era Republican takeover of the party. What do you think the Lincoln Project is. If he wins, the party will be solidified as a right wing party with a fringe center-left element.
Considering Republicans will likely win, no.
lol in that case we will have a Republican led 5-2 SC for 4-8 years, meaning RBG and Breyer's fascist replacements will be 4-8 years younger than if they were appointed in 2021.
