For me the easiest tell is the up front, unprompted, and unsolicited declaration of nonpoliticalness. When someone takes the time and expends the breath to announce how nonpolitical they are, what follows is almost always a rant about how everything/everyone else is too political these days, and that of course leads into something between status quo advocacy and outright reactionary/regressive sentiments for some fabled time before those wicked politics were visible to the nonpolitical ranter. 
People that are hostile to service workers. Some just want to take some ideological stand against tipping when the service worker doesn't really have a choice and needs those tips to survive in the current unjust system in a way where ideological purity gestures toward that service worker just look like being a greedy and sanctimonious asshole. The worst of such people will actually declare, shamelessly, that they believe that service workers don't deserve a living wage. The implications of that are 
worthy.
I may get shit for this, but I'll say it anyway: this hair and beard combo, seen on living people. 
I have yet to meet anyone in person with that look that wasn't a chud.
(If one of you is a comrade with that look, I am sorry in advance for the prejudice and if I ever meet you in person I will atone by buying you a drink or something.)
There's a TikTok trend right now of women asking their male partners (or others) "How often do you think of the Roman Empire?" and a significant amount of them responding "often" or "all the time".
Yuck, generally military history and military hardware interest are pretty major red flags to me. squints at news megathread that I regularly post on
It's one of those hobbies where everyone's a communist or a fash with very little in between
there's a lot of liberal military nerds nowadays since the SMO, an interest in military history nowadays is more indicative of just having a strong political stance in general now more than being linked to a tendency.
A "strong" Liberal stance is just fascism. Fascism = Distilled essence of Liberalism
I often think about the Roman Empire because their concrete had quicklime mixed with seawater, which resulted in a chemical reaction leaving patches of undissolved lime throughout the concrete. Therefore, when Roman concrete cracks, rainwater leaks in, hits the undissolved lime, which produces calcium carbonate crystals which fill in the gaps in the concrete as they form. It's literally self-healing concrete!
This is the reason why Roman concrete is so ridiculously resilient that it can last for thousands of years, compared to the few decades that concrete made with modern techniques tends to last. However, after the recipe for Roman concrete was lost to time, it took us about as long to reverse engineer it: it was literally only earlier this year when scientists discovered that the undissolved lime chunks in Roman concrete were not a mistake or a result of bad technique, but 100% the intentional and ingenious key to the concrete's longevity.
Cement production is currently a major source of greenhouse gas emissions, and this could be greatly reduced by creating longer-lasting concrete with the recently rediscovered Roman method, or a derivative thereof.
...But chances are that most people who spend any significant amount of time thinking about the Roman Empire are not thinking about concrete, nor gender variant history, city planning, bathhouses and latrines, how the misspellings of vulgar graffiti are used to reconstruct the history of the Romance languages, how Catullus 16 was basically the spiritual predecessor to "Ram Ranch", or all sorts of other genuinely interesting things about the wonders and woes of daily life thousands of years ago... But rather, most people will be thinking about sexy muscle men with spears and shields and racist fashy undertones.
Ancient people deserve better than that.
city planning, bathhouses and latrines
i promise you i am thinking about roof tiles, hypocausts, and pottery on the daily
...But chances are that most people who spend any significant amount of time thinking about the Roman Empire are not thinking about concrete, nor gender variant history, city planning, bathhouses and latrines, how the misspellings of vulgar graffiti are used to reconstruct the history of the Romance languages, how Catullus 16 was basically the spiritual predecessor to "Ram Ranch", or all sorts of other genuinely interesting things about the wonders and woes of daily life thousands of years ago... But rather, most people will be thinking about sexy muscle men with spears and shields and racist fashy undertones.
Ancient people deserve better than that.
A lot of popular historical period and period-inspired (various fantasy settings or whatever) fiction tend to revolve around wars and stuff. I think we need more works like Pentiment that tries to connect modern people to the human side of history. Humans in the past were still little weird people like we are today, they just had very different material conditions.
Portland cement and it’s consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
E: I do wanna push back on the “figured it out yesterday” part of the lime cement story though. Builders have known about lime for a long time but concrete is reenforced with steel nowadays. A lime/brine cement would eat through the steel reinforcement in a couple of decades and all those pretty modern cantilever things would fall over.
It wasn’t until recently that we had reinforced plastic rebar to use in the same type of constructions (refer to table 3h for revised tension ratings). That’s why the whole internet is lit up with articles about Roman concrete, because we finally have reinforcement materials to build more with it than a patio grill.
I've never heard of plastic rebar, that's super interesting. i googled it and got "fiber-reinforced plastic," is that what you're talking about?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibre-reinforced_plastic
Fibre-reinforced plastic (FRP; also called fibre-reinforced polymer, or in American English fiber) is a composite material made of a polymer matrix reinforced with fibres. The fibres are usually glass (in fibreglass), carbon (in carbon-fibre-reinforced polymer), aramid, or basalt. Rarely, other fibres such as paper, wood, boron, or asbestos have been used. The polymer is usually an epoxy, vinyl ester, or polyester thermosetting plastic, though phenol formaldehyde resins are still in use.
FRPs are commonly used in the aerospace, automotive, marine, and construction industries. They are commonly found in ballistic armour and cylinders for self-contained breathing apparatuses.
Yeah all that glass filled polymer and carbon fiber is just those compounds held together with some kind of plastic.
Basalt rebar is the same idea as well.
Tbh a better use for oil than burning the stuff.
i watched that animation of the process of roman road building and it stuck with me. i think i was playing valheim a lot at the time and i wanted to make some intense causeway lol, but i've also taken courses in and helped install a small variety of hardscapes in backyards and small agricultural settings. earthworks and other "built environment" design for supporting human activity is super interesting to me.
i often think about the logistics, materials, and processes of the ancient/pre-modern world. my justification is that the world before the dependency of fossil fuels still has lessons for us, from an engineering and design perspective.
i am not so interested in the philosophy and value system of that era, which i think is the distinction. people who are obsessed with the imagery and pageantry are probably harboring fash tendencies.
My SO found that TikTok and texted it to me and I texted back 200 words about the organization and composition of the Roman Republic's manipular armies
I just played a lot of Rome Total War in 2008 but it was pretty funny
Haha I answered "not much, I usually focus more on the late Republic and how the illegal expansion of patrician slave estates mirrors the enclosure of the commons in England" and my partner counted that as "I think about the Roman empire a lot"
Often, because when I feel hopeless and that there is no justice in the world, I try to remember God enacted justice upon the Romans by turning them into Italians.
There's actually highly detailed trans shit that the Roman empire wrote down so I think about the 1 billion or so trans people that came before me and what their lives were like 🤔
(And yes that number is accurate assuming transness is . 7%-1% of the pop at any given time)
So how much is a normal amount to think about the Roman empire? Twice a week?
IDK for me I'm too busy thinking about global socialism (part present and future) and the Roman empire is mostly irrelevant to that.
If you're thinking about fascism a lot it quickly becomes more relevant I'd have to assume, or moderately relevant to liberals but they don't care as much about history in general.
Not meant to be a dig at you in not the thought police haha
This is my second day in a row thinking about the Roman Empire because I've been prompted to by this meme.
They "think" about it all the time, but don't know anything about it beyond vague trivia about battles and emperors
Age of Empires 2 just ported Age of Empires 1 as the latest expansion, don't blame me for thinking about Roman legionary stats
I often think of the Roman Empire and other associated European history because of how much of it informs our current Anglo world-views, but it also demonstrates the differences in the current imperial set-up and how these differences may inform the signs of collapse. To be fair, I spend a lot of time thinking about empires and societies across the world.
Nothing is ever one-to-one but there are always strange similarities, but a lot of these similarities come from the interpretation of historians who are placing their own modern anxieties onto attitudes of the past (or even more common, us interpreting ancient historians who are interpreting history through the anxieties of their own time). Finding what is real, and what is imagined is likely the most difficult task in the world.
It's amazing how much we think we know, and yet how little we do. The past is truely a strange country.
i sometimes think about how daily life would have been, they had fast food places and advertisements
also the battle of Cannae
but not every day, the Soviet Union however
I just listened to the Parenti talk about Caesar, ok? It's not my fault.
I bet they love thinking about “greek boys” as well haha. A lot of German CHUDs are really into roman history, well tbf the “weird guy historian who loves rome” is a niche as well but you get my point.
Anybody that watches any news on tv cannot be saved. They will never understand anything that happens on this planet.
I’m surrounded by people who watch local news, which is 99% “a criminal did something bad…but then our plucky boys in blue CAUGHT HIM!” It’s not enough that every other movie or TV show is about cops (or superheroes or cowboys or people in the space navy, who are all also cops). CNN / MSNBC / Fox News would honestly be an upgrade for people who still consume local news.
More often its, 'a criminal did something bad... we haven't caught him yet, so stay extremely vigilant, 100% of the time; you could be the one that finds him!' So people create the fantasy of being a vigilante and install security cameras all around their house in the suburbs.
I signed up for nextdoor because I'd heard it was a good place for fashwatching, and I left it after like a month because I couldn't handle how bad it really was. There would be videos of petty theft by kids, and the comments would be about how those children and their parents need to be put in a cage
I signed up for nextdoor because I'd heard it was a good place for fashwatching, and I left it after like a month because I couldn't handle how bad it really was.
yeah, you can watch the fash -- but who wants to know that everyone in their neighborhood is a fashy shitter?
or cowboys... who are all also cops
This is slander against RDR & Django.
A few months ago I tried watching NRK news on the TV. There was some interesting stuff, but there was also a lot of stuff where I said, "...Why exactly are you showing me this? I don't think you're telling the whole story here, anyways."
TV news can be a good way to hear about recent events, but it isn't always a good way to be informed about them. This is true anywhere, but especially in the United Occupation Zones of America — where the TV news is among the world's most laughably bad, and most of the residents don't even realize its quality.
I have moved several times in my life. Local news is a good way to understand the dominant mindset and priorities of an area; annual festivals, long-standing family restaurants, concerts happening. Stuff like that is what the local news should be for. Too bad it's sprinkled in with the crime and politics segments which keep people "excited" to watch the news.
Anything positive at all about any type of cop, anything negative at all about any homeless person.
One day in the near future, there will be a homeless cop and any time anyone says anything about them they will become a corncob instantly.
Just like black cops and woman cops, cop overrides all other factors.
No one is ever a "cop something", they're always a "something cop" (well mostly just because that's the way job titles work but you know).
No one is ever a "cop something", they're always a "something cop"
except cop killer >:)
Just imagining another cop brutalizing the homeless cop, but then they both cover it up
Honestly, if there's anything middle school health class taught me, it's that you should always "cover it up" if you're gonna "brutalize" someo— [volcel police covers my mouth and drags me away]
When anyone says "these days you can't-" in regards to anything progressive
i just flip it immediately and stun them into silence
"I know, you can't even kill landlords anymore. Political correctness gone mad"
(as much as this sounds like a "and then everyone clapped and the lecturer was Albert Einstein" scenario, I said this out loud at a pub and got at least 5
reactions. At least some of my friends laughed)I believe you.
I haven't tried that myself, but considering how bootlicky a lot of people are where I live, I can easily imagine them stunned by something said that was that far to the left of free college and legal weed.
When we had office debates / arguments about the government wanting to digitally spy on all citizens. The chuds that think “terrorists bad, so government spying good” always used to make the “nothing to hide? Nothing to fear” argument. I’d always do like you said and play along. “Yeah dude, anyway pass me your phone?” “Why?” “I want to read your texts and go through your photos” “Fuck off” “What’s the matter? Nothing to hide? Nothing to fear”. They never made that argument again.
They can't be edgy and say le funnay joek at the expense of disadvantaged people anymore!*
*they can but look like assholes because they are assholes and only assholes will receive that well now.
Thinking crime has gotten worse, it's an absolute TV talking point that everyone repeats nowadays. If you try to bring up empirical evidence of crime decreasing every decade they just respond with some anecdotal bullshit they probably made up. It infuriates me and I wanna shout their face, "facts don't care about your feelings".
I've gone the similar route and just acknowledge that all our business and political leaders are criminals, makes sense the rest of us are criminals too.
Bonus points if they do this while living in Chicago or surrounding areas
it's definitely been said elsewhere in this thread but my default assumption when meeting people from the suburbs is that they're chuds and it is correct like a solid 80% of the time
oh if they have a specific Democrat Run City in some other part of the country that they hate there's no ifs ands or buts, they're a fascist
This is a red flag, but I'd say it's probably 50/50 on whether someone will dig in when confronted with the reality of the situation vs. listen.
The big issue is getting people to not just listen and nod along, but remember that next time they see a crime story instead of defaulting back to the media narrative.
Both the Conservative CSU and the fascist AfD are running "tough on crime" campaigns here... bruh, even in bigger cities like Nürnberg or München you could leave the door open all day and odds are nothing would happen to your stuff. It's entirely "young men speaking arabic on the streets - this is very scary!" based, even if this overt forms of scaremongering have passed onto more subtle ones.
Bavaria has like 5 cops per resident, wtf are these people going on about?
They look at the United States with hearts in their eyes, like in old western cartoons.
every day my fucking coworker tells everyone about some new violent crime that happened somewhere in the greater metro area because he has an app on his phone that apparently gives push notifications for this stuff. i'm thinkin like "dude why do you have that you are driving yourself insane"
yes he's a homeowner who commutes from the suburbs, how could you tell?
We have local Twitter accounts and it's just some guy with no life posting everything he hears on the scanner.
Anyone who not only doesn't consider ever taking public transportation, but is shocked that whoever they're speaking to would even suggest it.
My mom recently gasped when I told her I had taken a train once, years ago
I approach it the other way. Just assume most people have absolutely awful political opinions. Pray they don’t believe all homeless people should be thrown into internet camps and gassed. And then if I find out they don’t believe that I bring light into a somewhat correct political leaning and then try and crack it open. Often I use landlords as the go to bad people and see if they agree r if they seem confused why I hate landlords so much then I go into detail.
should be thrown into internet camps and gassed
Ah, the old game-and-gas routine
Just ask them about all the homeless you see around town. This is the American equivalent of asking a European about the Roma
it's honestly amazing how quick a lib will start to call for death camps when homelessness is mentioned. is it different in Europe? serious question, does the presence of some kind of real social safety net mean that people are less bloodthirsty to their neighbors just for being poor?
Europeans will pretend racism is an American phenomenon, despite the roots of it coming from Europe, until you start talking about Roma at which point they become as racist as a klansman.
I dunno, in my experience European racism is a more primitive type that you don't see as much in America anymore. Like even the most feral American hogs usually do the pretend song and dance that racism is bad before they beat the insert slur here to death. Like not saying it's better, just the pretension that Americans are somehow uniquely racist seems like eurolib cope to me.
I think it is that racism is so baked into American society that it is hard to miss I mean a nearby country club, which cannot be turned into public housing fast enough, had to be sued to let in Irish Catholics in the 1980s so it is harder to deny here. As aresult more Americans are aware of their racism than Europeans.
There's really no way for liberals to win with this one because their wealth is predicated on rising property values—which naturally produces homeless people. If you even adopt the milquetoast liberal approach of constructing affordable housing, that lowers property values. If you just pretend the homeless people aren't there, that lowers property values. So as a liberal, there's really nothing you can do. Capitalism has fucked the planet for the last couple of centuries; now this monster, in its vicious hunger for ever-dwindling sources of profit, is finally coming for you, too. The death camp approach is also pointless (purely from an economic perspective) because rising property values will continue to produce homeless people, which will mean more tax money for death camps, which themselves will produce ever-larger numbers of radicalized people who will increasingly adopt violent and organized methods to oppose you, etc. The only way to deal with "the homeless problem" (actually the landlord problem) is to eliminate landlords and establish quality universal housing—which means that dwellings cease to be an investment and you, Mr. Liberal, have to actually get a real job and work for a change.
The death camp approach is also pointless (purely from an economic perspective) because rising property values will continue to produce homeless people, which will mean more tax money for death camps, which themselves will produce ever-larger numbers of radicalized people who will increasingly adopt violent and organized methods to oppose you, etc.
The bourgeoisie wouldn't mind doing another holocaust.
Being afraid of Chicago is a pretty good (though not perfect) tell about where they're getting their news. A lot of right-wing sources will go full
Being afraid of cities in general, especially if they live in a small town/rural area.
"B-b-b-but the fascist TV man told me cities are warzones full of minorities and the homeless! Everyone is constantly robbing each other and murdering at random! No I haven't left my hometown of 2000 people in 15 years, why do you ask?"
I can't tell you how many people I got this from when moving to Minneapolis
It just means I see fewer of those people around 🥳
For Germany, it's Berlin-Neukölln. However, there's less of a "this is a dangerous no-go area", and more of a focus on supposedly super-strong arabic "clan" families, which are known as dangerous criminal organizations and there are consistent raids against in all of the country.
Who cares that the N'drangheta (calabrian mafia) has been way more successful in weaving itself into the German Economy, it's a good occasion to scaremonger among BILD (right wing tabloid) readership.
weaving itself into the German Economy
Well that's the thing, German conservatives see somebody doing a giant money laundering operation and will immediately feel a deep kinship to them. Bourgeois politicians are obviously always close to white collar crime, but the CDU/CSU just loves that shit, it's their biggest passion.
I have every right to be scared of Chicago because I had a flight with a layover there last week and as soon as I walked off the airplane and into O’Hare airport Chief Keef ran up and shot me to death
I've been living there my whole life and always check under the bed for Chief Keef before going to sleep.
You never know.
Y'all still checkin for Chief Keef? Man I'm lookin for the Ghost of King Von
And no, I'm not from 63rd in case he's here
take some ideological stand against tipping
I love when they pretend to take the side of the worker by pointing out that it's the restaurant who is screwing their servers by underpaying them and making them rely on tips, which is of course 100% true but you're still eating at the restaurant.
I don't like tipping culture either, so I just... don't eat at restaurants. I actually don't need food slaves to serve me.
Is there any political group working specifically against tipping?
Questioning how much not eating somewhere actually moves the needle at all. If a restaurant goes out of business, it's not necessarily clear that it's because patrons opposed tipping culture. So for that reason, it seems that anti-tipping progress has to come from labor itself, by refusing to work for tips. But I also recognize that that's not possible for many people barely scraping by.
A fash dude in person tried to get into a group I was organizing with. We went on a day there, day back roadtrip with him before we really knew him and by the end of it we cut him out completely.
Two biggest red flags were:
- He had a paranoid obsession with societal collapse, kept repeating stupid shit like "we're nine missed meals from murdering each other in the streets"
- Pretty much the first thing he asked was our ethnic background, and he had a bit too much of an "interest" in ethnic cultural differences and the like
It didn't take long for the full fash ideology to be on display and as soon as we dropped him off we blocked him on everything and never looked back.
"we're nine missed meals from murdering each other in the streets"
When a chud says that, what they mean is they look forward to it.
Or they are fear mongering with the intent to sway opinion that societal collapse is imminent so that we all must be ready to use extreme measures.
"Societal collapse" in their mind is the collapse of their privileged life. "Extreme measures" meaning find ways to quietly genocide a group of people before it becomes an open power struggle.
so that we all must be ready to use extreme measures.
Every time a hurricane hits hard enough, chuds are eager to "defend" against "looters."
Why do hungry people have a higher likelihood of murdering each other?
I imagine the argument is that they're murdering each other over the remaining scraps of food. Which doesn't seem entirely untrue considering how many wars have historically been fought over farmland and resources.
That being said the idea of most people turning into murderers doesnt seem to fit too well into what happened during actual famines.
being comparable, at their very worst, to those found in some areas of the United States of America in the 1990s
Yikes
I lived in one of the wealthiest places in America during that time. One if the poorest spots in America was two towns over.
"how do you do fellow leftists? hey just so you know, i'm racist. hope that won't be a problem"
On the first part shouldn't the solution be making sure everyone has what they need to avoid people being in desperate straights? It seems more sensible to do this than try to beat everyone into submission
His mindset was that it's going to happen anyway because Western decline, and we are going to have to defend against immigrants, past and present.
Why not just prepare to accept new immigrants and focus on making a stronger society? We will never be able to handle climate collapse otherwise.
"well I was beaten as a kid and I turned out fine"
- someone who manifestly did not turn out fine
I wasn't beaten as a kid and turned out fine, so I guess all other things equal they just like beating children since it's evidently possible to raise a kid just fine without it
In the third grade I fell and broke my arm but I turned out fine. Obviously this means that we should break the arms of every third grader.
That sounds like something the Union should act on since here deliberately differential conditions between union and non union shops slwould be something the Ombudsman would be quite interested in.
"jesus was black"
"king tut was black"
"you need to embrace your divine femininity"
"I dont eat gmos, msg, or processed milk"
a
whiteperson who says "im not religious im spiritual" actually i know shitty black people who say thatif you hear this you are going to meet the most reactionary person i swear to god.
Particularly annoying since the entire 25th Dynasty of Egypt was actually black.
RIGHT??? THATS WHATS GET ME THE MOST!!!!there were black Egyptians but WE DONT TALK ABOUT THEM (partially because the Roman defaced their art)!!! its all Cleopatra, neffertiti,and king tut. no mention of all of the amazing black kings and queens who were SO COOL and sometimes bisexual that no one EVER cares about. I feel crazy. And i know it comes from a valid place of wanting to see yourself in history but real history will ALWAYS be more amazing and beautiful then what youre uncle is posting on Facebook.
Apparently to them the advanced metallurgy of benin, the kingdom of nri, great fulo, mali, ghana, songhai, alodia, great zimbabwe, kongo, the sand houses of zanj sea, kanem-bornu, etc… are somehow not-worthy or like not “advanced enough”?
god yes! imagine if people were into real black history, it would be beautiful.
do you have any favorite sources for African history? or is it mainly like wiki-walking, forums, and googling, and just like ambient absorption from the internet?
like, I've been listening to Blowback and I keep thinking about how long it would take me to gather all that information without the podcast.
also @Sinister@hexbear.net because you mentioned a bunch of cool-sounding stuff
I know a little bit but I really wish I knew more.
i would love a podcast but most of my knowledge comes from googling binges at 3 am. I start with something like "precolonial africa gay" or "real african queens" and let god take me. I read this really great book about african kingdoms from the library a few years ago but i cant remember the name.
googling "precolonial africa gay" is already really illuminating and i've only just started.
i'm looking at this and there are so many promising terms to google in it https://daily.jstor.org/the-deviant-african-genders-that-colonialism-condemned/
anyway thanks for pointing me in this direction, it's fascinating
Its more like target research into a topic when I know I want to know about a certain country/person, with a few amount of randomly searching through the internet haha. There is often a lack of variety of sources sadly. There is some good stuff by the https://historyofafricapodcast.blogspot.com/2021/03/?m=0 History of Africa podcast however.
That link was super interesting and I had never heard of any of that, thanks for the rec! I’ll be checking them out
I don't mean to disagree but
"Jesus was black
Ronald Reagan was the devil
and the government is lying about 9/11"
is a based take because Huey Freeman is probably the most based character in mainstream animation.
I think black peoples obsession with needing white approval and to be at the center of whiteness (in this case Christianity) is the worst thing about the black community. i mean i love the boondocks but yeah its a red flag irl. and its just antisemitic, jesus was jewish, he was persecuted for being an Jewish ethnic minority, pretending he was black to make you feel better takes away from his history. also its just anti intellectualism, another scourge of the black community. also the people who say this are that same people who couldn't name a single actual black pre colonial historical figure, not fucking one, MAYBE MANSA MUSA IF YOURE LUCKY. if youre not black you dont have to deal with these people on a daily basis. the amount of antisemitic ignorant shit I have to hear every time I go to any pro black space is insane, i cant take it anymore.
Mansa Musa is a boring figure. He was just some rich dude. Compare him with the founder of the Mali Empire and his grand-uncle Sundiata Keita.
i am LOVING all the cool African history everyone is sending me! thanks!
I kinda figured the whole joke about Huey was that while he's going in the sorta-right direction with regard to his age, he always goes about it in over-the-top and ultimately futile ways that really makes him no different from homeboy him and Riley were shading with the awful poetry at Mo's funeral.
"im not religious im spiritual"
In my experience near the Bay Area, there's enough spillover of Silicon Valley tech cult bullshit for "spiritual" to mean a number of terrible things from eugenics-fixated "Secular Calvinism" to prophecies of nerd rapture or escape from The Simulation(tm). And a lot of them have MLM-style grifts to sell you.
yeah it can mean anything, and you dont have to be held accountable for anything your peers/leaders do, but you can claim credit. "yeah man read this book it changed everything for me. yeah the author is in a sex scandal but its about the practice its not a religion we dont obey him, we just buy all his books and do what he says."
That reminds me of another sus flag: "(grifter) is nonpolitical and is just a lifestyle coach that wants you to practice self-improvement!"
I dont eat gmos
I'm curious about your experience with people who say that. Its it anything other than the fact that the statement is fundamentally classist because buying GMO-free or non-processed foods is materially impossible for most working-class people?
I have pretty big criticisms to GMOs because I think their use has and will lead to the further precarization of food systems, the erasure of indigenous foodways and untold amounts of stress on soils and ecosystems. People who oppose GMOs on a "health" basis are a bit silly, in my opinion.
yeah you got it. its the classism and anti intellectualism for me. also these are the kinds of rich white brats who go to poor brown countries and spread misinformation that gmos harm people and stop research into things like golden rice (which under capitalism has limited potential but its a noble endeavor) that could save millions of lives.these assholes wont even let scientist RESEARCH it. they also lobby the local governments, purely to enforce their insane fringe belief that natural equals good. also monsanto and these companies are evil and are destroying the planet but the technology itself is fine, and even under the current system gmos still often use less pesticides which ARE harmful to people. also almost no one ive met criticizes gmos for good reasons like you laid out its all ignorant rich people. most dont even know what gmos mean.
I see, thanks for explaining!
If you're interested, I'd like to talk more some other time (I'm ungodly busy and tired all the time right now) on the "being anti-GMOs is anti-intellectualism/science" bit, because as I've said before, food scholarship, and food activism are my chosen field of struggle, and I think there are good conversations to be had there.
I think many parts of movements for/about food have had the misfortune of getting started by privileged white people, and putting their concerns over basic humanity. But there are plenty of food-related movements like La Via Campesina who oppose GMOs on a political and ideological level, so we shouldn't be throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
i would love to learn more some other time! and i understand that there are real reasons for opposing gmos especially for indigenous people. I think the original Luddites were based as well. I still think anyone who says the words "I dont eat GMOs" instead of "i dont support gmos" is privileged as hell. like even if youre farming all your own food thats still very privileged, and theres really no other way (other then deluding yourself or paying an insane amount of money) to live "gmo free". i still think most people are anti intellectual poc included, and this is for good reason gestures to history but its our job to empower people with factually accurate information, (im thinking long term here). I would even agree the gmos currently are puting more harm into the world than good but anyone who claims they are inherently unsafe is just factually wrong. and the potential for gmos under socialism could do more than just end world hunger, we could end full illness and diseases, we could eliminate the need for pesticides one day, very importantly we could counter the effects of climate change (that genie is not going back in that bottle). lets chat later!
it'd be cool if your future conversation was public because i'm interested too
Couldn't have said it better, so
. I understand that GMOs aren't likely to be directly harmful to eat, but the longer-term effects on the wider ecosystem is the real (and thoroughly not studied nor understood) concern.I didn't want to go into "one health" or "ecosystemic health is human health" concepts because I felt it would derail the conversation, but I think they're important to take into account.
I think it is fundamentally eurocentric to consider that the agricultural and food systems in which one lives aren't deeply linked to one's wellbeing, and that the indiscriminate use of GMOs couldn't have an effect on that.
There's alot of specific ways specific GMOs suck and of course Monsanto gets the wall for shit like round up and the abuse of termination genes (great for research, terrible for farmers)
But so often the protesters are out against something like a scientific research project on soil redmediation, or of course the Golden Rice debacle.
was on an anti-"hippie" circlejerk for years stanning for Monsanto, and it probably started as astroturfing but the enlightened I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE(tm) bazingas made it their cause anyway. RoundUp was made of LE SCIENCE so it was objectively good! 
Oof, that was the stuff they hilariously claimed you could safely drink by the gallon, then refused to drink. Very good point that I've not considered before!
this is all pretty new to me tbh, are we getting harmful levels of exposure just from eating produce or is this more about acute exposure?
anyone who does keto
I always knew I was getting the wall, but i didn't realise to would be so soon
(I did Keto with a pretty severe calorie deficit and lost 35kg, which I kept off for a year. I then went to America for a holiday/got married, got plantar fasciitis from social sport that stopped me from walking comfortably and COVID happened and I put 40kg back on lmao)
im not capable of having a normal non trauma dumping convo about keto, like i am fucked in the head FORERVER, so I will just say please please please be safe and get your blood checked regularly when doing fad diets.
please please please be safe and get your blood checked regularly when doing fad diets
yeah, I was and already was getting checkups and my bloods done decently regularly because my blood pressure and cholesterol were already shit before 2018 when i did it
I am nowhere near it now because I am, to say it politely, a gourmand
glad to hear it comrade, not enough people get their blood checked. sorry if i seem overly emotional, id rather have you heavier and here.
please please be safe and get your blood checked regularly comrade. please watch your potassium levels.
Nah, no worries, I don't follow it anymore, but while I was I took a salt supplement with potassium. Ended it because it just made life too difficult
I did the version of keto where you just don't eat bread or sugary food. I think it was adequately sloppy enough to prevent any chudification
good for you, the keto comments are really rolling in and i am super triggered so i shall delete that part of my comment, no hate just cant handle it, it was my mistake i didnt even think about it before commenting.
cw death, mom, truama dumping, you dont need to read just explaining why im suddenly acting odd
spoiler
___ my mom died from a lack of potassium and heavy exercise that made her heart stop while on keto, she followed it the way you are sopossed to ate enough calories ect, doctors said it looked like she was "living in a third world country" she died of malnutrition.
holy fuck i'm so sorry, from your reaction earlier today I thought you'd been on the diet
"jesus was black"
I gotta say I'm disappointed to hear that one. It tracks, but I've always liked how much it upset my most racist relatives
- ShowI mean he probably looked like this, so hopefully you can still piss them off
I don't understand how more people aren't offended that Jesus is depicted as an Italian.
The MSG thing is so wild to me, why is that a thing??? It's such a good ingredient
its just racism! some white man made up a concept called "chinese food syndrome" after eating Chinese food and having his tummy hurt. and then non asian restaurant started promoting the idea to hurt local asian businesses so they dont have to compete with the yummyness.
"did you hear about News Event? It just seems a little suspicious"
Always turns into maybe a Chinese space laser did it
Somebody at my work whos usually got pretty decent politics recently suggested a space laser started the Maui fires.
I can't stand that one! I've gotten that one. We all know a fucking cigarette butt or a lighter or a campfire can start a wildfire. We all know! We learned that from Smoky the Fucking Bear.
Why does everything have to be a magical and impossible conspiracy??
"So, you watch anime?"
Not an ironclad rule by any means, but enough to make me start paying attention.
Lest I look like a chud, I'll make sure that whenever I ask "So, you watch anime?" that I immediately follow it up with "Did you know that in that Little Witch Academia episode where the non-humans at the magical academy unionize and strike, that when Akko joins the non-humans (respect), that the kanji on her headband are based on a style of typography called gebaji? The word gebaji derives from gebaruto, from German Gewalt. In Japanese, gebaruto generally refers to violence perpetrated by leftist student activists in the '50s and '60s. Their protest signs used a distinctive style of bold, angular, 'common man' typography, and this typographic style is to this day associated with or used as shorthand for leftist particularly student activism. Gebaji is also known by other names, such as Zengakurenmoji — you might recognize the name 'Zengakuren' from their role in the famous riot at Sanrizuka in 1985. Anyways, here's a photo of a younger Hayao Miyazaki at some kind of labor action of the union for Studio Toei. You can see that he's wearing a headband just like the one Akko wore. You gotta love a union man, eh? By the way, have you seen the, like, anime music video created by the Japanese Communist Party? Heck, do you watch any donghua, for that matter?"
COMRADE AKKO UNDERSTANDS THAT WE CAN'T JUST "METAMORPHIE FOCIESSE" OUR WAY TO A CLASSLESS, MONEYLESS SOCIETY... DO YOU?
why does this thread have so many interesting eclectic comments lol, of all the threads to bring this stuff out of the woodwork it was "what are some tells that someone is fash"
anyway that was cool, thanks for sharing
If they start talking about Attack on Titan
If they start talking about Made In Abyss
AoT is just a mecha anime with some genocide sprinkled on top, i dont know what you're talking about
Yeah, I first ask what they watch before responding in the affirmative. It's always something like AoT or isekai stuff, which isnt something I want to engage with - well, Escaflowne and The Twelve Kingdoms were cool, but not really part of the modern isekai trajectory.
One day, someone will say "Land of the Lustrous", and I will be delighted.
This made my check the manga, and was pleasantly surprised to find that it's been getting chapters this year. It's so good.
I can only say "I watched Trigun and the Frieza saga on toonami
"Actually wait no, I've also seen a bunch of Lupin III movies, those were fun, and like the first third of each FMA but I got bored with those. Not really cause they're bad, it was just after I stopped watching any long tv series
Like I said, not a rule, but the incoming conversation might be enlightening.
red flag.
