Sweet man-made horrors beyond my comprehension.
The only reason to get a surgery like this is if you need to pretend to be someone else so they'll let you fly a spaceship.
or you're a 5'11 dude and want marginally more success online dating badly enough to torture yourself for it
get that 6 FEET
Most 5'11 dudes say they're 6ft anyways, everyone lies about their height.
I'm a legit 6'1/185cm barefoot, and I can look people straight in the eyes that claim they're 6'4/193cm. It's ridiculous lol.
If you're a legit 5'11 most people will think you're 6'1 or 6'2, especially in shoes. Because of how inflated it is.
i'm 5'5 and it's crazy how often people are like "oh, you must be like 5'8, right? same height as me"
Most 5’11 dudes say they’re 6ft anyways, everyone lies about their height.
I am the on person who doesn't do this apparently. 👀
I legitimately have no idea how tall I am anymore, just the ballpark number. I play Beat Saber and when it calibrates to height it tells me I'm 1.9m
I'd always put 5'11" on dating profiles back in the day because I thought putting 6' flat would sound like I was lying. (edit: I definitely subscribe to the under promise and over deliver philosophy in other aspects of life so I guess this makes sense in hindsight)
I legitimately have no idea how tall I am anymore, just the ballpark number. I play Beat Saber and when it calibrates to height it tells me I’m 1.9m
I have the same bizarre problem where I've had my height measured a few times at the doctors for routine checkups and I've had up to 2 inches of variation.
I’m a legit 6’1/185cm barefoot, and I can look people straight in the eyes that claim they’re 6’4/193cm. It’s ridiculous lol.
Damn and I felt like a fraud for rounding up my 183cm to 185cm lmao.
I think most people measure their height while wearing some shoes that give them a bit of a lift, combined with people lying it leads to some large mismatches if you measure your height barefoot and are honest.
This is why obsessing over height is so ridiculous. Shoes already add at least an inch.
GATTACA is just another Torment Nexus for the bazinga brains and their billionaire masters to aspire to build.
Still can't believe that movie made me feel something cause some asshole pissed a bunch into a bag for another asshole.
Not even that lmao. So you can sit at a slightly fancier desk. It's still not technically yours but hey, at least you're m o v i n g u p t h e l a d d e r !
but hey, at least you’re m o v i n g u p t h e l a d d e r !
???
What, people are motivated by material conditions?!?!
The fun thing about height surgery is that it genuinely fucks up your body and makes you lead a painful existence. Something to do with stretching tendons and muscles that don't conform to the forcibly lengthened bone.
Which I feel is very fitting for these blockheads in tech, who actively work to make our everyday browsing worse.
Our bodies are already pretty much cobbled together by evolution, our feet were more like our hands in the distant past where they could grip stuff more readily but as we became bipedal that gradually changed and they became more rigid, our knees do what they can for us, but mammal knees aren't really meant to hold the entire weight and if you want to see some good bipedal knees, look at dinosaurs that had millions of years to get past that. Same with our spine, it's all cobbled together and then as we age we start to develop more issues in this hotspots where on a fundamental level our bodies aren't well designed, this kind of surgery is like looking at all of that and saying you want it to be worse. Can't imagine what these people will be like when they're elders and this kind of stuff really will bite them in the ass.
mammal knees aren’t really meant to hold the entire weight and if you want to see some good bipedal knees, look at dinosaurs that had millions of years to get past that
:geordi-no: putting your brain into a robot body
:geordi-yes: putting your brain into a robot tyrannosaur body
The Washington Post reported in January 2020 that men were turning to Botox, fillers, laser treatments, and techniques meant to stimulate collagen in an effort to get ahead in their careers.
if this were a video game character creation screen, i would get my hair line lowered to my eye brows, jack my height up to 6'9", botox me until i have Kat Dennings' lips, and do that laser hair removal + microneedling until every patch of skin below my eye brows is like injection molded high density polyethylene.
i would be unstoppable during salary negotiations.
"OH God! I'll pay you whatever you want, just never be seen in my presence again!'
if this were a video game character creation screen, i would get my hair line lowered to my eye brows, jack my height up to 6’9", botox me until i have Kat Dennings’ lips, and do that laser hair removal + microneedling until every patch of skin below my eye brows is like injection molded high density polyethylene.
So you're gonna become the Arkham Joker?
i think you are missing a crucial detail:
my hair line lowered to my eye brows
I wonder what the ethnic breakdown of the patients are because anecdotally I know a few East and South Asian tech guys who are convinced that their inability to land a date is their height. They're mostly not even tech bro giga chuds, so sometimes I wonder if being short and a PoC double fucks you in the dating market.
It really doesn't help that it's still pretty common to see women put shit like "no one under 6 foot" in their bios and just be accepted as normal while a guy would be (justifiably) seen as a misogynist for specifying "D cup or above" or "60kg or under" or some shit.
tbh, seeing someone say 'no one under 6 foot' is a great way of telling on themselves.
Serious sympathies to anyone who's been bullied for their heights, beauty standards are bullshit.
tbh, seeing someone say ‘no one under 6 foot’ is a great way of telling on themselves.
True! That said, it's still demoralizing to see that kind of thing being so common. By analogy, if a company I considered applying for a job with said "no Asians" in their job listing, they would be telling on themselves too, but that shit is rightfully illegal and socially taboo.
On the other hand, I'm well over 6 foot and I've never matched with one of hose "6 foot or taller" women, so I assume that they've also got less socially acceptable criteria going on.
Being short and a POC completely fucks you on dating apps, you'd be lucky to have any success.
I've managed pretty well, but I get frequently told that my face makes up for the lack of height. It always comes across as a backhanded compliment.
For a man anyway. I think that racism is heavily gendered when it comes to dating. For example, Asian women find it easier than Asian men to get a date. Conversely, I've heard black women complain about how much easier it is for a black man to get a date than a black woman.
It's all bullshit racism, but sometimes a stereotype of a racial group benefits one gender of that group and disadvantages the other.
one time I saw someone say that in terms of like, beauty standards and conventional views of attractiveness black women and Asian men have it the worst (in the US)
I'm not either of these and I don't date but I think about that sometimes. not a very pleasant topic to reflect on frankly
and obviously the situation for Asian women and black men is also terrible but for a different reason
IDK how the attractiveness dynamics for different groups of gender nonconforming people shakes out. maybe it's better in some way
I'm a short dude and sometimes I really feel this pain. Idk, I got bullied a lot a lot as a kid, and even as an adult I can still kind of feel this whole power dynamic going on. It's there, I can tell.
Vanity is one thing but the emotional insecurity that society imprints on those that are short, fat, bald etc. is another stigma. Other people are terrified of taking on that baggage. People need to learn to be happy with themselves first somehow.
IDK that making mental health a matter of strict personal responsibility makes any more sense than that of physical health. Obviously we live under Neoliberal Capitalism, and as such our options for addressing any of these problems rationally, at an organized social level are functionally nil. So one needs to do what one can to care for oneself; but I don't think that the solutions that we are required to pursue as a result of the limitations of our present social formations are ones that are actually going to really fix anything, tbh.
Except for the Tall Man of the group, who refers to everyone in their social circle as "short", regardless of actual height.
every Tall Man is short in the next group up, and so on and so forth until we find the men taller than trees and shorter than ants :very-smart:
I wonder what these people think about gender affirmation surgery.
Woulld be interesting. I've not yet heard anyone say they want to be shorter to be more feminine, but its a possibility.
im pretty short myself but i looked into it for a friend who was 6'2 and i had to be like, girl, you arent going to some place in rural brazil to have one of the highest complication surgeries of all time. it isnt unlikely for it to consign you to a wheelchair forever
whereas these days vaginoplasty, facial surgery, and breast aug are all straightforward and relatively routine at this point
I would totally get a surgery to make me shorter if it wasn't expensive and extremely sketchy. I'm just tall enough that I stick out, which is really not what I want.
Wasn't there that ridiculous Netflix show called Tall Girl? Central premise was that main character was tall and a girl and that made her life hard.
It was a movie (that also has a sequel lol)
It's occurring to me that filming these was probably a pretty bizarre experience for Ava Michelle who plays the main character, simply because her height (and therefore her character's height) is so central to the plot; I feel like most movies (especially ones that are works of fiction) don't situate an actor so closely to their role if you get what I'm trying to say
Edit: To clarify somewhat, consider how even method actors are most often up ultimately unable to live the experiences of their characters in a practical sense. But this movie is about being a tall teenage girl, which Michelle obviously experienced herself on a daily basis, until very recently, for half her life.
I’ve not yet heard anyone say they want to be shorter to be more feminine, but its a possibility.
I've heard it a lot from transwomen. I haven't heard it from cis women.
Its just transwomen looking for that tbh, never forget tall women are hotter though :flag-lesbian-pride:
And within Silicon Valley, plastic surgery has increasingly become a way for male tech workers to reach their physical goals in recent years.
What a triumph of the will: throwing bazinga bucks at the goal. :so-true:
It's a lot like that "pride and accomplishment" thing that EA said people would feel by buying loot boxes.
i've seen a study headline or two that taller people make more money
no i don't know anything about confounding variables, but "lookism" is real and it sounds reasonable that "heightism" would go further than shallow people on hookup apps.
Taller people are absolutely taken more seriously than shorter people, same with people with deeper voices. It's just things our monkey brains respond to in certain ways.
It's not just monkey brain, it's also socially enforced from the moment we are born.
Come to think of it, I wonder how many people we would win over with referencing that lookism is a thing, and it sucks how being not conventionally attractive is one of the most acceptable prejudices. It's disgusting how much of a moral failing it is to have something caused by pure bad luck.
Sure, the right will double down on them bragging about how pretty they are. Let them. But it might cut-off the right's supply of incels who go from simply being angry they aren't getting girls to joining the right.
At the very least, It would be kinda funny if we took the old /r9k/ "anti-normie beta uprising." meme for ourselves.
Sure, the right will double down on them bragging about how pretty they are
:trump-moist: :bolso-pain: :bojo: :up-yours-woke-moralists: :charlie-kirk: :alex-oopsie: :confusion: :billionaire-tears:
This might not be a winning strategy
Looking is certainly a factor but it's hard to isolate. Being tall correlates with better nutrition during childhood, which also correlates with having well-off parents. Not only that, but there's a link between good nutrition and intellectual development, which means even if capitalism was strictly meritocratic (which it absolutely isnt), there could still theoretically be more tall people in charge.
Idk how I feel about the good nutrition being taller equals intellectual development. What about people who live in parts of the world where they tend to be shorter because of environmental conditions? Being tall where I live is a quick way to get killed by a jaguar. I can see that kind of thinking quickly leading to race science.
Nutrition is only one of many factors, which is part of why it's so hard to isolate variables and study this shit.
Sometimes you can see this in the same population over time as people get better access to food. IIRC the average height in China has been rising for a while now, most likely due to better nutrition.
not so sure about Oprah. There can't be too many though and even if you were born and raised poor it doesn't justify being the kind of scumbag who hoards a billion dollars.
:jesus-christ:
I've heard about this leg lengthening procedure being done to people with legs of uneven length to allow them to walk normally and even then it sounded grueling and painful.
I can't see why you would have this done unless you had to. Paying to have it done for no good reason is just incredibly fucked up. There should be some responsible adult who could tell these people no.
Dudes get very, very into how tall they are. It's a whole ego thing, and you can tell it's an incel thing because they specify engineers do this
I'm a 1.63 (5'3 or 5'4 I think?) amab in the worlds tallest country (the Netherlands) and can confirm it sucks. A lot. Especially for your self confidence and dating life. But you get over that through becoming a well rounded, mentally healthy and interesting person, and therapy if necessary. No way I would try to "fix" it with this nightmare surgery.
i don't understand why body shaming fat people is bad and body shaming short guys is funny and cool, nor do i understand how people get why fat people get self-conscious but don't get it for short guys
If anything it should be the other way around. At least most fat people could lose weight with exercise and dietary changes, but short people can't do anything go change their height.
Obviously we shouldn't shame people for their physical appearance in general, but it's strange how we have it exactly backwards.
Is there actually a lot of body shaming of short dudes outside of like middle school? I’ve never seen that before.
The dating app thing people were saying is true. A decent amount of women list a minimum height. Usually 6 feet but not necessarily.
I saw someone getting a lot of upvotes here for saying it is always short dudes driving big trucks, which on it's face, is absolute nonsense. It's rich assholes and in the more rural areas, not even restricted to dudes. I have seen plenty of women looking genteel southern driving the rich asshole mobile
The dating app thing people were saying is true. A decent amount of women list a minimum height. Usually 6 feet but not necessarily.
This isn't body shaming though right? We can agree on that?
Is someone putting "No Fat Chicks" on their social media, or tinder bio not body shaming?
The main argument, as far as I can tell, that you can say as to why one would be body-shaming while the other wouldn't, is on the basis that the person putting forward the standard that I'm using in comparison is presumably a man. Whereas the one maintaining the standard in the opposite case is presumably a woman.
And incidentally, I do actually think both of these would be bad standards to have; and funnily enough the one about body-fat is ironically more relevant to me than the height one.
Is someone putting “No Fat Chicks” on their social media, or tinder bio not body shaming?
I think this disingenuouly conflates two separate ideas: is it ok to have and state preferences about the kind of bodies you're attracted to, and whether you're doing so in a neutral way or a cruel, bullying way.
It seems like you're of the opinion people aren't allowed to be attracted to certain things and not others, which like, fine you can believe that but I don't really believe you do in practice.
I think the thing you're missing is men swipe left all the time based on weight, or breast size, or just closeness to whatever standard of beauty they have. The difference is most of these apps are photo-based, so there's no need to explicitly specify those preferences. Height, on the other hand, is quite hard to determine by looking at photos a person has selected, so if it's important to someone they have every right to state that.
I think this disingenuously conflates two separate ideas: is it ok to have and state preferences about the kind of bodies you’re attracted to, and whether you’re doing so in a neutral way or a cruel, bullying way.
You're probably right about that, but I do also think that it's worth interrogating in ourselves why we find certain types of bodies attractive, and what types of people we find attractive or not, and why. That is actually something I try to think about on my own time, and it's something that I do try to make concessions about in as much as I'm capable.
It's worth noting, that I don't think women would do this out of any kind of ill-will, really. Certainly not in the same way that my hypothetical dude would be. I highly doubt that they actually know exactly what a "6 foot" guy actually looks like anyways (in the sense that I don't think most people could eyeball that as a precise measurement). The point is that they would want a guy who's noticeably taller than both themselves & other men around them. And the question is like "Why; where exactly is that desire coming from?"
And I imagine if you really dug into it it's more than just a personal preference. :shrug-outta-hecks:
Or rather that there are specific reasons for those preferences that would be surprisingly gender-essentialist, and those probably ought to be challenged.
It seems like you’re of the opinion people aren’t allowed to be attracted to certain things and not others...
My take is that I don't necessarily care if any particular person has a specific set of preferences with regards to who they like to hang out with, or what they're attracted to.
However it's very difficult to disentangle broad social trends about those things, from the manifest reality of social hierarchies between people, & social discrimination between types of people. Which isn't just about targeting people for abuse & mistreatment btw, it's also about leaving them isolated, or without a community.
In effect I do think that both men & women can reproduce patriarchal standards (and also other kinds, not just those specifically) through who they choose to associate with. And for that reason it's worth being at least mildly skeptical of, and pressing people a little bit to explain why they "like what they like".
I think the thing you’re missing is men swipe left all the time based on weight, or breast size, or just closeness to whatever standard of beauty they have. The difference is most of these apps are photo-based, so there’s no need to explicitly specify those preferences. Height, on the other hand, is quite hard to determine by looking at photos a person has selected, so if it’s important to someone they have every right to state that.
That's a fair point & counterargument. I suppose that it is true that they would do that, and that this isn't really something that is easily questioned, or discouraged within the framework of dating apps. I would say that this is a reason why dating apps are in general, probably bad.
Thank you for the even-handed response. I don't ultimately disagree that our biases are worth interrogating, but I also would put forward that ultimately all our thoughts and preferences are socially conditioned and at a certain point it's okay to just accept that you like certain things and don't like others and just try to be happy.
Mostly I push back in these convos because it always feels like another situation where men try to control women's sexual agency :shrug-outta-hecks:. Thanks for your thoughts comrade.
For a human attribute that is routinely derided, which I believe height for men is, I think it is an asshole move for someone to just put that out there. Especially since it's pretty early in the discussion. You're probably not going to match and depending on the app, the height is very likely listed.
Like, you can have social skills and for someone on a dating app, you should probably have social skills.
Being clear about what you want and not wasting people's time is exhibiting good social skills. Poor social skills is stringing someone along who you ultimately won't want to meet up with because you're not attracted to them.
You claim that being short is routinely derided, but if you're counting this kind of behaviour as deriding honestly it's kind of hard to take the claim seriously.
IDK comrade I think this kind of reasoning tends toward a kind of incel logic where men are just supposed to get women independent of what women actually want.
IDK comrade I think this kind of reasoning tends toward a kind of incel logic where men are just supposed to get women independent of what women actually want.
100%, asking people to be considerate about people's feelings when rejecting them is Incel logic.
Being open and honest about your desires and deal-breakers is a way to be considerate about people's feelings. Treating that as some sort of personal attack is bringing a lot of your own baggage to the table.
And FWIW I didn't say it is incel logic, but it trends in that direction.
its a very American thing I think, but everything here is focused on gaining a competitive edge. You dont want to be a beta male do you?
Yeah, maybe I worded that wrong. I'm short and I went through some years of real pain about it. I could just tell a certain percentage of people I interacted with didn't think I was a real person. I imagine that's what a lot of minorities feel like maybe, not to over sell it, but yeah we live in a judgemental society and people tend to feel raw about what people are judging them for.
I’ve never known a single dude my height or shorter
well, what height is that?
Yeah, I know a lot of friends who claim to be my height. I never felt the need to lie about my height but I am a perfectly society normal height.
I spent a lot of time on dating apps until I met my spouse. Like... years. The complaint that hetero women see 6'0" in freedom units as the minimum height in a man for dating is generally very true, at least in my observation. I can see a guy who's like 5'7"-5'10" doing this, absolutely. Especially given how ubiquitous dating apps are.
dating apps are practically the only way people meet these days
that's fucking depressing if true. I'm realizing I'm never gonna make it on these shitty apps (not that my IRL prospects are much better, but I'm ready to give up on virtual crap)
If you go on :reddit-logo: say women should be able to date people with the features they're attracted to they will fucking flip out at you lol
I'm sure there will be no medical repercussions for these people 10 years down the road
seems like a bad fucking idea, its not like chiseling 1mm of bone off your face by cutting through your gumline leaving no visible scars, youre getting your femur cut in half and having metal with screws drilled in to it to extend it
then of course its possible for the device to malfunction or need to be replaced in a decade or two. and of course there can be complications from moving and stretching so much muscle around, all the major arteries and nerves could be severely damaged.
