Thank you @SeventyTwoTrillion for all your effort. :sankara-salute:
If you have any useful resource links please tag me in a comment with the link:
Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict
Add to this if you can, thank you.
Links
Time/Map: https://time.is/Ukraine
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ukraine/@49.1162725,31.7993839,7z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x40d1d9c154700e8f:0x1068488f64010!8m2!3d48.379433!4d31.1655799?hl=en
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1B1PLMhbHmG1aJ2-QNxHY1TksI6HlNhqF&ll=48.60777942568106%2C36.4496511633501&z=7
Leftist discussion threads:
https://hexbear.net/post/177324
https://old.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/t03foy/genzedong_russiaukraine_master_discussion_thread/ :kitty-cri-texas:
https://lemmygrad.ml/
Twitter military updaters:
https://nitter.42l.fr/RWApodcast
https://nitter.net/ASBMilitary :kitty-cri:
https://nitter.net/Militarylandnet
https://nitter.net/MihajlovicMike
https://nitter.net/KofmanMichael
https://nitter.net/TadeuszGiczan/status/1498673348183744518
https://www.youtube.com/c/DefensePoliticsAsia/videos
obvious disclaimers about taking all of them with tonnes of salt etc
Global South Perspective: https://nitter.net/kiranopal_/status/1498723206496145413
Better war/propaganda analysis:
https://www.understandingwar.org
https://www.moonofalabama.org/
News updates:
https://www.cgtn.com/special/UkraineCrisis.html
Live: https://www.cgtn.com/special/Live-update-Ukraine-Russia-border-crisis.html
YT/Video in Ukraine:
https://www.youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsToday/videos
https://www.youtube.com/c/RussellBentleyTe
Previous megathreads
!news@hexbear.net RSS Feed https://hexbear.net/feeds/c/news.xml
What exactly are you looking to argue here? If you believe Ukraine is telling the truth about Russia's crimes then you be you, again maybe this time they are telling the truth though they certainly weren't the past few half dozen times.
I'm just wondering where you get your news from. Has any reputable source debunked Russian war crimes?
Why would the burden of proof be to debunk the allegation, and not rest on the Ukrainian side to substantiate the allegations in the first place, particularly after pushing various stories that turned out to be falsehoods, like the Snake Island massacre, the Ghost of Kiev, the Mariupol theatre attack, etc.?
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/03/technology/ukraine-war-misinfo.html The Ghost of Kiev was always just a legend, I thought. However I hadn't heard about Snake Island until now. But it seems both were examples of propaganda by Ukraine.
I haven't heard anything debunking the Mariupol theatre attack, though. All I could find was that Russia accused the Azov Battalion, obviously an evil organization, of orchestrating it, with no evidence. Reminds me of MH17.
It’s a miracle - civilians that were hiding in a basement at the Drama Theater in Mariupol survived the air strike. Now they are getting evacuated from underneath the ruins.
My colleague @belkiswille spoke with #Mariupol deputy mayor 30min ago. He said thus far about 200 people had been rescued from the theater rubble unharmed and one woman injured. Ongoing attacks hamper rescue efforts and how many still there unknown.
So you're not denying that there was an airstrike, just saying that there were survivors? Okay?
Like, that's the Ukraine version, they said 300 victims and then back track. Whether there's an air strike, the Russian said there wasn't an air strike that time, whether they lie or not, it should be easy to verify, but since the west has drop that story, I assume a false flag.
Just for fun, name a few reputable sources.
I like the NYT, but generally if I see a new source, I'd run it by https://mediabiasfactcheck.com.
are you lost friend?
:maybe-later-kiddo:
:agony-immense: FOR LEFT FUCKING BIAS IT PUT'S JoeBiden.com ALONGSIDE FUCKING MARXISTS.ORG
Left/right bias doesn't really mean anything. I just use it for the fact-checking. But if their fact-checking is inaccurate I'd be interested to hear.
i JuSt UsE iT fOr FaCt-ChEcKiNg
Sorry, I don't get why the sarcasm. I'd trust the NYT over some random dude on hexbear who's source is "trust me bro".
Hey did you hear the report the NYT released about those WMD's Sadam have? Scary if true
If the best you can come up with was an error nearly 20 years ago that they have admitted to and acknowledged... I'm just saying, I'm wondering where your news if coming from. Since I haven't seen any evidence that the war crimes were fabricated, but I'm open to hearing your perspective.
An error that distorted the world we live in today and destroyed the lives of millions. If you're open to hearing the perspective of the propaganda mouthpiece of the American terrorist state, then you're truly not open to hearing anything else.
Ah yes, and before or after that one singular debacle, the NYT never ever carried water for US imperialism.
That is some off the charts pure liberalism in that website right there
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/left-vs-right-bias-how-we-rate-the-bias-of-media-sources/
None of the stuff they listed as "left" is actually leftist. It's just basic social democratic policies many outright capitalist states have
It's also heavily biased towards the USA in terms of localisation of what is left and right.
It makes the classic mistake of liberal = left
:gulag:
So, which one of your accounts got banned that had you dig this one out of the bin?
I honestly haven't really paid attention to hexbear since the early days. Are you going to ban me for asking for a source?
No, I'm gonna mark you publicly for being a fuckin lib and sit back and enjoy watching you get bullied
Fair enough. I'd still like to see a source, though
Fine, you want a source, here you go https://www.latlmes.com/world/what-we-know-about-russian-war-crimes-1
"Latlmes". my dude...
NYT is an imperialist rag, don't pretend to have standards
I'm personally not familiar with LA Times as an outlet, but why specifically do you find NYT to be trustworthy (or at least trustworthy enough), but scoff at the use of LA Times?
Click the link, it's a rick-roll. I would generally trust the real LA Times.
nothing wrong with admitting you got dunked on.
Are you 15? Lol
better than a 5 year old that reads the NYT lmao
This particular twitter thread on burcha.
The war news most people here get from telegram sources, ASB Military on twitter before they deleted their account, DPA who is just some guy also reading from telegram sources. Patrick Lancaster is posting almost daily videos of civilian deaths. Brian/The New Atlas is posting frequent updates too, though I like his China content more.
The Ukrainian sources including official accounts on telegram are straight up useless propaganda. Here is a comparison video between Russian and Ukrainian telegram sources
And of course @SeventyTwoTrillion is posting a lot of stuff here too.
The twitter thread was interesting. I'm not entirely sure what it's supposed to prove- what stood out to me was the video posted- despite that it's unclear what was said or if someone actually was shot, somebody did ask if they could shoot somebody, and maybe already had, if they thought that was okay to ask. I also have no doubt that some people were killed by Ukrainian shelling. But with the sheer amount of people killed and eyewitness accounts it does fail to convince me that there was not a massacre by Russian forces. He also accuses the NYT of moving a body, and by extension deliberately spreading fake news. The body looks to be in the same place to me, and the NYT deliberately spreading fake news would be as far as I know unprecedented. I wouldn't really trust what I hear from Russian- or Ukrainian, for that matter- news on Telegram, though. That seems to be mainly a platform to spread propaganda to try to get people who read it on your side.
Ok so
-The satellite images are already proven to be highly questionable and inconclusive, even the NYT admits the satellite alone can't prove how those people were killed.
-We know some of the civilians have white armbands which the Russians use to mark friendly collaborators. Why would they massacre them?
-I am hoping you are already aware the curious case of the mayor that didn't mention a massacre when he celebrated Russians leaving.
-As the twitter thread alone gives a dozen different points against the narrative:
Video of Ukraine shelling on Russia troops captured by drone.
Video of Ukraine troops asking if they can shoot civilians.
Video of civilian with tied hands and white armbands(Russian supporters)
What is more likely?
That Russia somehow committed a large irrational mass murder of civilians many of which were sympathizers despite very obvious military doctrine against this throughout the whole war?
That Burcha was under constant shelling for most of the month, the bodies are most likely from different events at different days and as Russia decides to retreat the Ukrainian army decides to try yet again to frame another mass murder scene while giving no explanation or signs of regret for their own nazis conducts including doing these same sort of executions.
We have a literal dozens of videos of people being lynched in public, we know Azov used human shields, they are torturing Russian POWs etc
:shrug-outta-hecks:
You want to live in a world where some guy in front of a TV or some editor for a fancy three letter newspaper earning 6 figures is a trustworthy figure but thousands of people crowdsourcing real videos during a war is "fake news".
I can't imagine being you in 2002-2003 honestly but I guess everyone has to go through this stage I guess.
Exactly how many dead constitutes a massacre in your opinion?
https://twitter.com/JamesAALongman/status/1511425069372817410 Maybe something like this?
You know people can die in warzones without malicious intent?
Yes, however this is not what happened, did you read the thread? There's no point in denying Russian atrocities, just because the USA denounces them.
Im not saying average russian soldier is a saint but Bucha discourse is very clearly a propaganda operation on scale alone. We will see if there is any viable investigation.
https://www.npu.gov.ua/news/stoprussia/speczpriznachenczi-naczpolicziji-rozpochali-zachistku-mista-bucha/
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3445989-bucha-liberated-from-russian-invaders-mayor.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7yIyNBMpQY
You must be new here
 true lib on Hexbear .. what a Sight to behold.....
Liberalism is when you denounce war crimes, and the more war crimes you denounce, the liberaler you are.
What are you quoting from?
This part is fierce "They thus have a tendency to strongly overestimate what their own actions are doing, and to actually view what they’re doing as real activism."
here https://np.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/sk2a4p/why_do_people_think_its_brave_and_heroic_to_say/hviuvs0/
at this moment you feel civilised and of supiror interlect , a wolrd waiting for your lectures ..
a true lib on Hexbear ... what a sight to behold...